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Posted by bwilson4web on May 10, 2011, 6:23 am

We've already gone over the Prius catalytic converter removes 99% of
the carbon monoxide. But I don't mind going over this subject again as
repetition sometimes work with those who are not very bright ...
although not so successful with sociopaths. Still, we'll assume you're
just not very bright and this is an important safety aspect of Prius
emergency power along with:

o 2 gallons/day - because the 12V power comes from the traction
battery, the engine cycles on and off as needed to sustain the charge.
As the load increases, the cycling is faster and under partial power,
a slower cycle. In contrast gassers and diesels vehicles have to run
all the time, regardless of load. Those vehicles just can not match
Prius efficiency and spew carbon monoxide continuously.

o 11.5-12 gallon tank - giving a Prius as much as 5-6 days of
operation without having to be refueled. Furthermore, refueling is
safer because the fuel filler is away from the engine and hot
exhausts. In contrast, most standalone generators have to be refueled
several times per day.

o maintained - in contrast with gas engine generators, the Prius is
used daily and receives regular maintenance. There is no question
about whether or not it will run when needed or possibly fail because
it was not touched for a year or more.

o Ultra Low Emission Vehicle / Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle -
which eliminates 99% of the carbon monoxide that a standalone
generator releases. This lowers the risk of death by poisoning by a
factor of 100. In contrast, standalone generators are a well known
health hazard the CDC reports on:

"Carbon Monoxide Poisoning from Hurricane-Associated Use of Portable
Generators --- Florida, 2004

The four major hurricanes that struck Florida during August 13--
September 25, 2004, produced electric power outages in several million
homes (1). After the hurricanes, the Consumer Product Safety
Commission (CPSC) investigated six deaths in Florida attributed to
carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning (CPSC, unpublished data, 2004). The
Florida Department of Health and CDC analyzed demographic and CO
exposure data from these fatal poisoning cases and from nonfatal
poisoning cases among 167 persons treated at 10 hospitals, including
two with hyperbaric oxygen (HBO2) chambers. . . ."

"Carbon Monoxide Poisoning After Hurricane Katrina --- Alabama,
Louisiana, and Mississippi, August--September 2005

On September 30, this report was posted as an MMWR Early Release on
the MMWR website (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr ).

Hurricane Katrina made landfall on August 29, 2005, on the Gulf Coast
of the United States, causing loss of life, widespread property
damage, and power outages. After hurricanes, some residents use
portable generators and other gasoline-powered appliances for
electrical power and cleanup. These devices produce carbon monoxide
(CO), and improper use can cause CO poisoning (1,2). During August 29--
September 24, a total of 51 cases of CO poisoning were reported by
hyperbaric oxygen (HBO2) facilities in Alabama, Louisiana, and
Mississippi. This report describes these cases and the rapidly
implemented reporting system that identified them. CO poisoning can be
prevented by reducing exposure to CO through appropriate placement and
ventilation of gasoline-powered engines. . . ."

"Carbon Monoxide Poisonings After Two Major Hurricanes --- Alabama and
Texas, August--October 2005

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita struck the U.S. Gulf Coast on August 29,
2005, and September 24, 2005, respectively, causing widespread damage
and leaving approximately 4 million households without electrical
power (1,2). Despite public health measures to prevent carbon monoxide
(CO) poisonings after major power outages, multiple CO poisonings were
reported in Gulf Coast states in the wake of these hurricanes (3). The
Alabama Department of Public Health and Texas Department of State
Health Services asked CDC to assist in investigating the extent and
causes of these hurricane-related CO poisonings. The investigation
identified 27 incidents of CO poisoning resulting in 78 nonfatal cases
and 10 deaths in hurricane-affected counties in Alabama and Texas,
nearly all of which were caused by gasoline-powered generators. Most
of the generators involved were placed outside but close to the home
to power window air conditioners (ACs) or connect to central electric
panels. Few homes had functioning CO detectors. CDC continues to
recommend that generators be placed far from homes, away from window
ACs, and that CO detectors be used by all households operating
gasoline-powered appliances (e.g., generators and gas furnaces), with
batteries replaced yearly. Although the risk for CO poisoning likely
decreases as generators are placed further from the home, additional
studies are needed to establish a safe distance for generator

Safety is important and normal generators can be deadly. In contrast,
the Prius has two orders of magnitude lower emissions because of the
catalytic converter and the carbon monoxide hazard is substantially
reduced. Add to that the Prius engine cycles on and off giving the air
a chance to clear.

So keep it up as I have no problem with citing again and again the
facts and data you seem incapable of admitting. The Prius is a
superior solution including as an emergency power supply. When the
emergency is over, it goes back to being the most fuel efficient car
outside of the electrics and plug-ins.

Bob Wilson

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 10, 2011, 11:28 am
In article

The point isn't that it removes carbon monoxide; the point is that you
thought the Prius didn't produce carbon monoxide at all due to the
catalytic converter.

You don't know shit about how cars work.

That it removes 99% of the CO is not unique to the Prius, either, but
you think it is.  You continue to say that the Prius is "a superior car"
because of that fact, yet the Prius engine puts out just as much CO as
any other modern car engine.

You really don't know anything about cars, but you spout off as you do.  
Expect to be called on your ignorance.

Posted by bwilson4web on May 10, 2011, 12:45 pm

Actually it is exactly the point. The Prius is an exceptionally safe
emergency power supply.

That is fair enough as you're still losing the argument. Instead of
bringing facts and data to the discussion, you try and try again, like
a sociopath, to make-up totally false claims. The Prius remains the
best car not only for low maintenance, high mileage and the ability to
provide safe, emergency power.

This is where again, you're so wrong because no gasser or diesel can
equal the Prius ability to provide very safe, emergency power,
efficiently. Again, you are so wrong.

Just stating the facts and data in your face in your face again.

1) 2 gallons per day - providing excellent efficiency saving fuel
2) 11.5-12 gallons per tank - providing up to 5 to 6 days of
continuous running
3) maintained - as a commuter and work car, regular operation and
maintenance so it is reliable
4) quiet - so it doesn't join the generator buzz night and day
5) safest emissions - with 99% of the carbon monoxide removed and
intermittent engine operation, the carbon monoxide risk is at least
two orders of magnitude lower than ordinary gas generators and
significantly lower than continuously running gasser and diesels

So yes indeed, I appreciate another opportunity to list the superior
capabilities of the Prius in this especially important aspect. Well
certainly important to folks who live in disaster areas or go without
house power for significant intervals.

Bob Wilson

Posted by totfit on May 10, 2011, 9:55 pm
 On Tue, 10 May 2011 07:28:36 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Ah, no it doesn't. Yes, anything that burns anything puts out CO. That is
just the way it is. The Prius engine does pollute. It does not put out as
much CO, because it is a more efficient system. The "engine" is just part
of the system. Also, not all "modern" engines are really that "modern".
Some are very efficient and some still aren't.

Posted by Al Falfa on May 11, 2011, 2:55 am
 "Elmo P. Shagnasty"  wrote in message

In article

Those were your words.  Denying that is beneath you.

That you had to be corrected by someone who knows the facts, such simple
facts, tells all about your grasp of simple facts.

It seems as if you missed Bob's point entirely.  Of course the Prius
produces less CO than a conventional generator.  If you didn't miss his
point, then you must have quoted him out of context simply to pick a fight.
Well, Elmo, in your futile attempt to make him look stupid you have made
your self look stupid and this isn't the first time.

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