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Posted by Chas Gill on May 11, 2011, 10:59 am

<Lots of intereting but irrelevant stuff snipped>

So to make make a poisonous, carbon monoxide gas mixture, it has to be
too hot to breath. If the mix is breathable, it won't kill you.

Bob Wilson

Er... I think not!  Tell that to relatives of the thousands of garage
suicides and thousands of accidental gas furnace exhaust inhalers who died
in their sleep.

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 11, 2011, 11:55 am

Stop confusing Bob with facts that make his Prius look less than the
perfect car.

In Bob's little world, the perfect car doesn't emit CO; therefore, if
you ask him, he'll tell you his Prius doesn't emit CO.  Problem
solved--at least for him.

I asked him to go ahead and put his Prius inside an attached garage and
turn it on, and leave the house door open to run the electric cord
inside.  For some reason, he apparently declined.

Come on, Bob.  Let's see a chart of CO concentration in your house over
time as you run your non-CO-emitting Prius inside your garage to power
your house.

When can we expect THAT chart, eh, Bob?

Posted by bwilson4web on May 11, 2011, 2:36 pm

When you make your own ... if ever. <GRINS> Still, like an typical,
troll, you post your own strawmen, attribute them to others, and then
knock yourself down. So sad and pathetic but it gives me another
opportunity to share the facts and data.

The safety aspects of a Prius as an emergency generator is clearly
superior to all other cars with the exception of EVs and plug-ins. As
for carbon monoxide risk, it is exceptionally tame as I pointed out

* * * posted on Tuesday * * *

CARB reports "0.4 gm/mile" of CO (for the NHW11 model Prius)

Using 45 MPG, gasoline density, fuel/air mixture ratio, we can
calculate the CO PPM of straight exhaust from the catalytic converter:

409.46 ppm - CO, yes it (the straight exhaust) exceeds the 100 ppm the
CDC reports

It is also at 450F so before on could die of carbon monoxide
poisoning, the 450F temperature cooks your lungs, throat and you
are burned to death. (This is close to the maximum temperature of many
home ovens if you'd like to sample the experience.)

Ok, let's cool it down so it is breathable. The coolest temperature
was 50F so diluting the exhaust to bring it down to say 80F, only 7.5%
is exhaust and the carbon monoxide ratio is 30.71 ppm ... not fatal.

Ok, what is the temperature to reach 100 ppm, the CDC limit?

Well that ratio is 25.5% and a temperature of 148F. You don't suppose
you might notice it?

So to make make a poisonous, carbon monoxide gas mixture, it has to be
too hot to breath. If the mix is breathable, it won't kill you.

* * * end of yesterday's posting * * *

So here we have a place where Prius exceptionalism can not be matched
by gassers and diesels:

1) efficient emergency power generation - two gallons per day because
it cycles the engine as needed to sustain the traction battery.
2) huge tank removed from hot engine - the 11.5 to 12.1 gallon tank
provides 5 to 6 days of power. Although not recommended, one can wait
for the engine to cycle off and fill the tank then.
3) quiet - the automotive muffler and low engine rpm makes it all but
impossible to hear across the property line.
4) safe - extremely low levels of carbon monoxide that undiluted would
be too hot to breath and diluted to breathable temperatures, below the
CDC 100 ppm threshold
5) reliable - unlike emergency generators, the vehicle maintenance and
operation all but guarantees it will work versus the neglected unit
that hasn't been run since the last power outage a year or more ago

Perfection? No but definitely superior to anything else. <GRINS>

Bob Wilson

Posted by bwilson4web on May 11, 2011, 2:21 pm

The facts and data are different. It turns out home emergency
generators and using open flames indoors are the true risk and
certainly not the Prius. This is what the Center for Disease Control,
CDC, reports:


Bob Wilson

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 8, 2011, 1:53 pm
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Ohmigod, did you really say that?

More proof that the fanboi Prius owners are total and complete idiots.

You go ahead and run that baby inside your closed attached garage, with
the back door open so you can run the power cord inside.  Go right
ahead.  The gene pool will thank you.

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