Posted by Noddy on July 18, 2009, 11:59 am
> If you want a fairly LARGE car with a huge back seat that can
> comfortably seat and transport four people, five if they're not large,
> AND you want to get 48 US miles per US gallon, then you buy a Prius--and
> you don't care what's under the hood.
A Prius is not a large car, Americans in general are not slim, and US
Gallons are completely irrelevant to anyone but Americans.
Just out of curiosity. How much is a new Prius compared to a new Corolla in
the US?
> Of course, most of the people here talking about how their smaller and
> cheaper cars get good gas mileage are the types that would never have a
> need for carrying others in the car with them, since they don't have any
> friends to begin with.
I don't know what Prius you're talking about, but the ones we have here in
Australia are around the same size as a Toyota Corolla, yet cost almost
double the money to buy. They get better mileage than the Corolla, but over
the average 3 year new car ownership period the Corolla is *light-years*
ahead in terms of total cost of ownership.
As a bonus, the Corolla is a whole lot more enjoyable to drive, and a whole
lot less ugly :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 18, 2009, 4:46 pm
> > If you want a fairly LARGE car with a huge back seat that can
> > comfortably seat and transport four people, five if they're not large,
> > AND you want to get 48 US miles per US gallon, then you buy a Prius--and
> > you don't care what's under the hood.
>
> A Prius is not a large car,
A Prius is far larger than a Corolla or a Kia Rondo.
If you dispute that, that's proof that you want nothing more than to
argue. If you dispute that, you show that when facts get in your way,
you ignore them.
> Just out of curiosity. How much is a new Prius compared to a new Corolla in
> the US?
Apple to apples? The Prius is US$000 to US$000 more than a Corolla,
for 2009 models.
But here's the trick: I don't like how SMALL the Corolla is inside. I
want a BIGGER CAR. Nothing huge, but something the size of the Prius.
I guess a Camry would do, even if it's a bit bigger than I need. How's
this: how about I get a 4 cylinder RAV4? It meets my interior size
requirements. Huh--it's the price of the Prius.
People like you who have no friends or family and can't conceive of the
notion of wanting/needing to carry people with you--be happy with your
Corolla. That's fine.
But those for whom the Corolla is too small, because we DO carry others
with us, what do you suggest? In the Toyota line, you spend around
US$3,000--on either a Prius or a RAV4.
At least with the Prius, you don't use as much petrol.
And here's a thought: you talk about what I call "Pius" owners, acting
all smug as though they're saving the world, but here you go acting just
like them yourself.
Posted by D Walford on July 19, 2009, 12:38 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>> If you want a fairly LARGE car with a huge back seat that can
>>> comfortably seat and transport four people, five if they're not large,
>>> AND you want to get 48 US miles per US gallon, then you buy a Prius--and
>>> you don't care what's under the hood.
>> A Prius is not a large car,
>
> A Prius is far larger than a Corolla or a Kia Rondo.
Not according to Toyota's specification it isn't, slightly larger is
more accurate.
Corolla L 4220mm W 1760mm H 1515mm Wheelbase 2600mm
Prius L 4460mm W 1745mm H 1490mm Wheelbase 2700mm
>
> If you dispute that, that's proof that you want nothing more than to
> argue. If you dispute that, you show that when facts get in your way,
> you ignore them.
>
Check out the facts, a Prius is not "far larger" than a Corolla.
Its longer but narrower and lower than a Corolla.
>
>> Just out of curiosity. How much is a new Prius compared to a new Corolla in
>> the US?
>
> Apple to apples? The Prius is US$000 to US$000 more than a Corolla,
> for 2009 models.
>
> But here's the trick: I don't like how SMALL the Corolla is inside.
A bit shorter resulting in less rear leg room but the difference in the
other dimensions is insignificant.
The Corolla is also lighter by more than 100kg and it can tow a trailer
weighing up to 1300kg, Toyota do not recommend fitting a towbar to a Prius.
The Corolla may be slightly smaller but it costs less, it can seat as
many and because it can have a towbar it can carry much more luggage.
The Corolla still seems to be much better value no matter how you look
at it.
Daryl
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 19, 2009, 12:58 am
> > A Prius is far larger than a Corolla or a Kia Rondo.
>
> Not according to Toyota's specification it isn't, slightly larger is
> more accurate.
> Corolla L 4220mm W 1760mm H 1515mm Wheelbase 2600mm
> Prius L 4460mm W 1745mm H 1490mm Wheelbase 2700mm
> >
> > If you dispute that, that's proof that you want nothing more than to
> > argue. If you dispute that, you show that when facts get in your way,
> > you ignore them.
> >
>
> Check out the facts, a Prius is not "far larger" than a Corolla.
> Its longer but narrower and lower than a Corolla.
Sit inside it.
The difference is ASTOUNDING.
Until you've sat inside it, like I have, you can't begin to appreciate
how different the two are.
But no doubt you'll ignore that and go strictly by the numbers--like the
guy who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Posted by D Walford on July 19, 2009, 2:09 am
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>> A Prius is far larger than a Corolla or a Kia Rondo.
>> Not according to Toyota's specification it isn't, slightly larger is
>> more accurate.
>> Corolla L 4220mm W 1760mm H 1515mm Wheelbase 2600mm
>> Prius L 4460mm W 1745mm H 1490mm Wheelbase 2700mm
>>> If you dispute that, that's proof that you want nothing more than to
>>> argue. If you dispute that, you show that when facts get in your way,
>>> you ignore them.
>>>
>> Check out the facts, a Prius is not "far larger" than a Corolla.
>> Its longer but narrower and lower than a Corolla.
>
> Sit inside it.
Done that, family friends owns a Toyota dealership so I'm very familiar
with the Toyota range.
>
> The difference is ASTOUNDING.
I don't find a 100mm more rear seat leg room to be all that "astounding".
Its only of any use if you very often carry rear seat passenger who are
very tall.
>
> Until you've sat inside it, like I have, you can't begin to appreciate
> how different the two are.
>
> But no doubt you'll ignore that and go strictly by the numbers--like the
> guy who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
No doubt you will continue to try and justify to yourself why you spent
a lot more money on a car that isn't any better than something a lot
cheaper, you are only fooling yourself.
I don't have a problem with spending extra if you get something more, my
wife used to own a 2001 Corolla which was replaced with a Subaru
Impreza, the Subaru cost almost A$0,000 more than the Corolla but its
brilliant chassis dynamics, excellent quality which is even better than
Toyota's which is also excellent makes it well worth it.
In Australia Subaru resale value is second to none which is also an
added bonus.
Daryl
> comfortably seat and transport four people, five if they're not large,
> AND you want to get 48 US miles per US gallon, then you buy a Prius--and
> you don't care what's under the hood.