Posted by Was Istoben on July 20, 2009, 3:36 pm
>> "Badges" meaning "interior feature set, suspension tuning, and engine
>> management choices". Chassis and hardpoints, engines--all the same
>> things, because they're the same cars.
> So I'll presume for the sake of this argument that you'll be able to tell
> me what the Volkswagen badged equivalent of an Audi S8 is?
> Your argument of the same engine being shared amongst different vehicles
> makes them the "same car" is completely ridiculous. Even your Prius shares
> parts with other vehicles in the Toyota range, which by your logic would
> make it difficult to distinguish them as different cars.
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
Have you ever driven a Prius? Do you understand the concept of recapturing
the energy expended going uphill on the way down? Do you understand the
concept of recapturing energy used to accelerate when you decelerate? Do
you appreciate the fact that electric motors have more torque than gasoline
engines? It strikes me that you are concentrating on cosmetics.
Posted by Noddy on July 21, 2009, 12:03 am
> Have you ever driven a Prius?
Thanks for avoiding my question.
I have driven a Prius. A number of times now unfortunately. I say
"unfortunately" because I find them to be so incredibly boring that they
almost put me to sleep, but that's why I think they're far more popular in
America than they are here.
America is the home of boring as batshit.
> Do you understand the concept of recapturing the energy expended going
> uphill on the way down?
Yes, I do.
Do you understand the concept of recapturing energy used to accelerate when
you decelerate?
Indeed.
> Do you appreciate the fact that electric motors have more torque than
> gasoline engines?
No, I don't.
I appreciate that electric motors have torque curves flatter than 12th
century earth was thought to be, and that they make maxium torque from zero
rpm, but to suggest that they make "more torque than gasoline engines" is
completely and utterly wrong.
> It strikes me that you are concentrating on cosmetics.
Consider yourself struck if you like, but what the hell does *any* of this
bullshit have to do with your comments about German cars and badge
engineering?
--
Regards,
Noddy.
Posted by Was Istoben on July 21, 2009, 12:06 am
>> Have you ever driven a Prius?
> Thanks for avoiding my question.
> I have driven a Prius. A number of times now unfortunately. I say
> "unfortunately" because I find them to be so incredibly boring that they
> almost put me to sleep, but that's why I think they're far more popular in
> America than they are here.
> America is the home of boring as batshit.
>> Do you understand the concept of recapturing the energy expended going
>> uphill on the way down?
> Yes, I do.
> Do you understand the concept of recapturing energy used to accelerate
> when you decelerate?
> Indeed.
>> Do you appreciate the fact that electric motors have more torque than
>> gasoline engines?
> No, I don't.
> I appreciate that electric motors have torque curves flatter than 12th
> century earth was thought to be, and that they make maxium torque from
> zero rpm, but to suggest that they make "more torque than gasoline
> engines" is completely and utterly wrong.
>> It strikes me that you are concentrating on cosmetics.
> Consider yourself struck if you like, but what the hell does *any* of this
> bullshit have to do with your comments about German cars and badge
> engineering?
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
You put this in the Prius group, I didn't.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 20, 2009, 5:15 pm
> So I'll presume for the sake of this argument that you'll be able to tell me
> what the Volkswagen badged equivalent of an Audi S8 is?
No, because there isn't one. As usual, in environments like these, the
crossover is in the middle--and it's a big middle. But at either end,
high and low, are a couple of minor differences. Acura in the US
doesn't sell the Civic, and Honda in the US doesn't sell the RL.
Posted by Noddy on July 21, 2009, 12:07 am
> No, because there isn't one. As usual, in environments like these, the
> crossover is in the middle--and it's a big middle. But at either end,
> high and low, are a couple of minor differences. Acura in the US
> doesn't sell the Civic, and Honda in the US doesn't sell the RL.
So, they're *not* the same car then? :)
I don't know what the "RL" is, and we don't have "Acura" in Australia. Here
everything is all sold under the "Honda" badge. "Upmarket" badging of
regular brands hasn't worked particularly well in this country, and about
the only thing that has is Lexus but even then it's very low volume. Eunos
didn't really cut it for Mazda, and Honda never bothered trying the Acura
thing here. It's a pretty wanky idea, which is why it's more suited to your
side of the globe I expect.
Not that any of that has much to do with Volkswagen and Audi by the way
..... :)
--
Regards,
Noddy.
>> management choices". Chassis and hardpoints, engines--all the same
>> things, because they're the same cars.
> So I'll presume for the sake of this argument that you'll be able to tell
> me what the Volkswagen badged equivalent of an Audi S8 is?
> Your argument of the same engine being shared amongst different vehicles
> makes them the "same car" is completely ridiculous. Even your Prius shares
> parts with other vehicles in the Toyota range, which by your logic would
> make it difficult to distinguish them as different cars.
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.