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Posted by David T. Johnson on June 16, 2009, 2:46 pm
Bob & Holly Wilson wrote:

I've not liked where Toyota put the engines in the Sierra and the later
Sienna.  The Chrysler vans handle well, have an excellent engine (well,
the chrysler V6 anyway) and are comfortable for the passengers.  The new
Prius looks to be extremely nice with many improvements over the
already-great 2nd gen and I'm sure it will be a big seller.  More power
but better fuel economy, some new fancy options that used to be only on
Lexus, and updated styling.  What's not to like?  I'm glad they kept the
basic form, though, so it still looks like a prius.

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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on June 17, 2009, 1:46 am

You mean the Previa?

The later Sienna is every bit a big Camry wagon as the Honda Odyssey is
a big Accord wagon, and they both compare directly in overall concept
(including engine placement) to the grandfather Dodge minivan.  They are
all based on front wheel drive family sedan platforms.

I have never heard of a Toyota Sierra.  Can you post a link to such a

I think you've all gotten your cars mixed up.

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on June 17, 2009, 1:44 am
  bwilson4use@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson) wrote:

You did not see a Sienna, you were looking at the Previa.  (I know--I
owned one, a 1993 model.)

The Previa's last year in the US was 1997.  Come the 1998 model year,
Toyota brought forth the Sienna--which was (and is) essentially a big
Camry wagon, much like the Odyssey is a big Accord wagon.

So Toyota BEAT Honda to the market, and still Honda had five years of
incredible sales figures and prices for the Odyssey.  I have no doubt
the Sienna was just as good overall, and yet that didn't slow down Honda
sales one bit.  People were STILL happy to wait months and months to
grab an Odyssey.

I don't get it.  I got an Odyssey, paid almost sticker price for it on
9/12/01 (got the freshly updated 02 model), but I didn't have to wait
for it.  Had I had to wait, I would absolutely have spent my time
browsing at the Toyota store.

Toyota is in an even BETTER position today with respect to the Prius;
not only is it a hot car, there really isn't anything on the market that
competes.  Maybe the Fusion hybrid, but Toyota buyers aren't going to
browse the Ford offerings; they probably will browse the Honda
offerings, but I will say--being a Honda guy from way back, and
currently driving an 07 Prius--that Honda has NOTHING to compare to the
Prius.  That's why I say Toyota is in better shape today than Honda was
with the minivans.

So we'll see if Toyota can parlay that into a long run of waiting lists
and high prices.  The game is Toyota's to lose.

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