Posted by noname87 on July 8, 2008, 7:41 pm
What I don't get is why they didn't compare the Camry Hybrid to the
Camry. When I look at the cost difference between the Camry Hybrid
(27,500 MSRP) and a Camry (22,735 for LE with traction control), It
was roughly a 5000 difference. Consumer Reports reports a real world
combined MPG of 34 for the hybrid and 24 for the Camry. At $ a gallon
the hybrid saves $100 during the first 100K miles. Now if all the
mileage is highway, CR claims the hybrid yields 41 and the Camry
yields 36. Hybrid saves $700 over 100K. This is based on CR data.
Now factor in the fact that you should be able to get the regular
Camry below MSRP. Does the Camry hybrid make sense? Yes it is greener
but from an economic point of view, I doesn't seem to be debatable.
As for why compare the Camry to the Prius. Looking at the specs the
interior room is somewhat similar. The Camry has 2 more inches in
shoulder room in front and 3.5 in rear, 1.5 in leg room in front and 1
inch less in the rear. The usable trunk space is less in the Camry
Hybrid. Overall, The Camry would be a better 5 person car than the
Prius due to the rear shoulder room. I am 6' 6". Although the Camry
has more leg room, I find the Prius a better (although tight) fit
because the Camry center console limits my ability to bow my legs. My
daughter claims that the backseat has more legroom than my 95 Camry.
As for me, I would not want to be the third person in the back seat in
Overall, I think it is fair to compare the two cars size wise. If you
want more performance, slightly better crash safety and better seats
at the cost of mileage then the Camry Hybrid or the plain Camry might
be for you. If you want better gas mileage and can live with a smaller
back seat and less acceleration than the Prius might be a better fit.
Posted by Bob & Holly Wilson on July 9, 2008, 8:12 am
Because there are ride characteristics that hybrids share not found in
ordinary gas engine vehicles. They are significantly quieter and
smoother than the gas equivalent and don't wear out as quickly as the
gas only vehicles. So instead of changing cars every 3-6 years, the
hybrids keep rolling on and on and on. There is a cost of replacing a
worn out, gas car more frequently than the hybrid.
Posted by noname87 on July 10, 2008, 12:24 am
So instead of changing cars every 3-6 years, the
I agree on some of your points. However my current Camrys (one has
130k, the other 110k) are still going strong after 13 years. Many
people claim the Camry is good for 200,000+. My only real issue at
this point is oil leaks. I am buying a Prius so I am NOT bashiong the
Prius. I happen to like it. I just think gas Toyotas are more than
capable of lasting more than 3-6 year unless you are a real road
Posted by Bob & Holly Wilson on July 11, 2008, 8:36 am
We had a '91 Camry with nearly 180,000 miles on the odometer when we
lost it in an accident and replaced it will a used '03 Prius. Since
then, I've occasion to observe the differences.
The Prius engine works much less than the Camry engine. At speeds under
42 mph, I typically use 38 mph on city streets, the engine is off at
least 1/3d of the time and off upon coming to a stop and when stopped.
On the highway, the engine also loafs and getting +54 MPG at 65 mph when
I could only get ~38 MPG with the Camry.
The less stress, the longer the drivetrain and engine last and that
pattern is quite evident with the Prius. There is nothing wrong with a
Camry, it just comes from a different technological generation.
Posted by David Kelly on July 10, 2008, 1:51 am
Bob & Holly Wilson wrote:
I thought Bob was going to point out the standard and hybrid Camry's
ride better than a Prius.
There is no need to apologize for the way the Prius rides. Its a good,
controlled, and safe ride. Its not plush. I had a 2000 Avalon XLS which
was too plush. Like my 2007 Prius ride better.