Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on December 30, 2009, 7:42 am
In article
> ³It was a sensation of losing control,² reports 39-year-old Robert
> Becker, when he recalls what happened when he tried to slow down at an
> intersection near his home on the west side of Manhattan. All was
> going smoothly until he hit a pothole and suddenly, ³the brakes seemed
> to release.² The human resources executive adds that, ³it scared the
> hell out of me. I wasn¹t sure I could stop in time.
>
> He did barely but since then, Becker has had the problem repeat
> itself regularly. And so have a number of other owners of the Gen-3
> 2010 Prius, according to complaints filed with the National Highway
> Traffic Safety Administration, as well as comments posted on owner
> chat sites like PriusChat.com.
>
> Full article at:
> http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-cru
> mble/#more-17086
All of this reminds me of when ABS came out, and cops everywhere swore
they hated it and that it was useless and that it caused them problems
and even crashes.
That people are ignorant and can't figure out what's happening and/or
compensate for it, is a damn shame.
Posted by Retired VIP on December 30, 2009, 10:20 am
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:42:23 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>In article
>> ³It was a sensation of losing control,² reports 39-year-old Robert
>> Becker, when he recalls what happened when he tried to slow down at an
>> intersection near his home on the west side of Manhattan. All was
>> going smoothly until he hit a pothole and suddenly, ³the brakes seemed
>> to release.² The human resources executive adds that, ³it scared the
>> hell out of me. I wasn¹t sure I could stop in time.
>>
>> He did barely but since then, Becker has had the problem repeat
>> itself regularly. And so have a number of other owners of the Gen-3
>> 2010 Prius, according to complaints filed with the National Highway
>> Traffic Safety Administration, as well as comments posted on owner
>> chat sites like PriusChat.com.
>>
>> Full article at:
>> http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-cru
>> mble/#more-17086
>All of this reminds me of when ABS came out, and cops everywhere swore
>they hated it and that it was useless and that it caused them problems
>and even crashes.
>That people are ignorant and can't figure out what's happening and/or
>compensate for it, is a damn shame.
What is even more of a damn shame is that you have to learn to
compensate for a 'safety feature'. Yes, you can compensate for the
behavior of an ABS but you shouldn't have to. It should operate
unobtrusively and it should not be fooled by bumps, potholes or
ripples. Compensating for unexpected behavior only slows down your
reaction speed and while it may not directly cause an accident, it can
be a large contributing factor toward the cause.
Posted by Heron McKeister on December 30, 2009, 10:31 am
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:42:23 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> >In article
> >
> >> ³It was a sensation of losing control,² reports 39-year-old Robert
> >> Becker, when he recalls what happened when he tried to slow down at an
> >> intersection near his home on the west side of Manhattan. All was
> >> going smoothly until he hit a pothole and suddenly, ³the brakes seemed
> >> to release.² The human resources executive adds that, ³it scared the
> >> hell out of me. I wasn¹t sure I could stop in time.
> >>
> >> He did barely but since then, Becker has had the problem repeat
> >> itself regularly. And so have a number of other owners of the Gen-3
> >> 2010 Prius, according to complaints filed with the National Highway
> >> Traffic Safety Administration, as well as comments posted on owner
> >> chat sites like PriusChat.com.
> >>
> >> Full article at:
> >>
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-cru
> >> mble/#more-17086
> >
> >All of this reminds me of when ABS came out, and cops everywhere swore
> >they hated it and that it was useless and that it caused them problems
> >and even crashes.
> >
> >That people are ignorant and can't figure out what's happening and/or
> >compensate for it, is a damn shame.
> What is even more of a damn shame is that you have to learn to
> compensate for a 'safety feature'. Yes, you can compensate for the
> behavior of an ABS but you shouldn't have to. It should operate
> unobtrusively and it should not be fooled by bumps, potholes or
> ripples. Compensating for unexpected behavior only slows down your
> reaction speed and while it may not directly cause an accident, it can
> be a large contributing factor toward the cause.
The only compensation a driver need do is not
freak-out at the sound or pedal sensation which
hardly negatively affects transient response time.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on December 30, 2009, 11:41 am
> >That people are ignorant and can't figure out what's happening and/or
> >compensate for it, is a damn shame.
>
> What is even more of a damn shame is that you have to learn to
> compensate for a 'safety feature'.
Fact: cops couldn't get past the idea that they should NOT pump the
brakes, that the computer was doing it much faster and more reliably,
that all they had to do was stand on it and ask the computer to do it.
It's not "compensating;" it's a different thing entirely, because the
machine got better.
Posted by Ashton Crusher on December 30, 2009, 3:08 pm
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:20:50 -0500, Retired VIP
>On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:42:23 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>>In article
>>
>>> ³It was a sensation of losing control,² reports 39-year-old Robert
>>> Becker, when he recalls what happened when he tried to slow down at an
>>> intersection near his home on the west side of Manhattan. All was
>>> going smoothly until he hit a pothole and suddenly, ³the brakes seemed
>>> to release.² The human resources executive adds that, ³it scared the
>>> hell out of me. I wasn¹t sure I could stop in time.
>>>
>>> He did barely but since then, Becker has had the problem repeat
>>> itself regularly. And so have a number of other owners of the Gen-3
>>> 2010 Prius, according to complaints filed with the National Highway
>>> Traffic Safety Administration, as well as comments posted on owner
>>> chat sites like PriusChat.com.
>>>
>>> Full article at:
>>>
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-cru
>>> mble/#more-17086
>>
>>All of this reminds me of when ABS came out, and cops everywhere swore
>>they hated it and that it was useless and that it caused them problems
>>and even crashes.
>>
>>That people are ignorant and can't figure out what's happening and/or
>>compensate for it, is a damn shame.
>What is even more of a damn shame is that you have to learn to
>compensate for a 'safety feature'. Yes, you can compensate for the
>behavior of an ABS but you shouldn't have to. It should operate
>unobtrusively and it should not be fooled by bumps, potholes or
>ripples. Compensating for unexpected behavior only slows down your
>reaction speed and while it may not directly cause an accident, it can
>be a large contributing factor toward the cause.
There is no need to compensate for the new systems. Just plant your
foot if your goal is to stop and ignore the pulsations.
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> Becker, when he recalls what happened when he tried to slow down at an
> intersection near his home on the west side of Manhattan. All was
> going smoothly until he hit a pothole and suddenly, ³the brakes seemed
> to release.² The human resources executive adds that, ³it scared the
> hell out of me. I wasn¹t sure I could stop in time.
>
> He did barely but since then, Becker has had the problem repeat
> itself regularly. And so have a number of other owners of the Gen-3
> 2010 Prius, according to complaints filed with the National Highway
> Traffic Safety Administration, as well as comments posted on owner
> chat sites like PriusChat.com.
>
> Full article at:
> http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-cru
> mble/#more-17086