Posted by me on April 18, 2010, 1:17 am
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:55:00 -1000, dsi1
>On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote:
>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
>> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
>> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
>> Toyota they'd made.
>>
>What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
>is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.
The problem was three fold: First, the air intake ducts under the cowl
were on the bottom, not rear (firewall) or ducted from above as they
are on better designed cars. That allows (and almost begs for) foreign
matter such as pine needles to be pulled into the duct system. Second,
the fan then chops that material and sends it along to the third
problem: the heating fan resistors were exposed wound wire type that
literally glowed cherry red when used to keep the fan on lower speeds
(unlike properly designed systems in other vehicles where they are
encased in an aluminum cover/heatsink).
The result was that the bottom draft duct design allowed the material
to be pulled in, the fan then chopped it up and packed it against the
resistors, then the resistors ignited it. Fire would result, with the
fan literally fanning the flames.
The ductwork problem is not easily rectified in the field, it's a
engineering issue. However, the problem could have been repaired
simply by encasing the resistors in an aluminum heatsink/cover that
would have prevented ignition.
Posted by dsi1 on April 18, 2010, 6:12 am
On 4/17/2010 7:17 PM, me wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:55:00 -1000, dsi1
>> On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote:
>>
>>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
>>> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
>>> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
>>> Toyota they'd made.
>>>
>>
>> What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
>> is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.
> The problem was three fold: First, the air intake ducts under the cowl
> were on the bottom, not rear (firewall) or ducted from above as they
> are on better designed cars. That allows (and almost begs for) foreign
> matter such as pine needles to be pulled into the duct system. Second,
> the fan then chops that material and sends it along to the third
> problem: the heating fan resistors were exposed wound wire type that
> literally glowed cherry red when used to keep the fan on lower speeds
> (unlike properly designed systems in other vehicles where they are
> encased in an aluminum cover/heatsink).
> The result was that the bottom draft duct design allowed the material
> to be pulled in, the fan then chopped it up and packed it against the
> resistors, then the resistors ignited it. Fire would result, with the
> fan literally fanning the flames.
> The ductwork problem is not easily rectified in the field, it's a
> engineering issue. However, the problem could have been repaired
> simply by encasing the resistors in an aluminum heatsink/cover that
> would have prevented ignition.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
Posted by me on April 18, 2010, 1:21 pm
>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
design.
Posted by David Z on April 18, 2010, 1:55 pm
>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
> design.
What do you own/drive now?
Posted by David Z on April 21, 2010, 7:42 pm
>>
>>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
>>
>> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
>> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
>> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
>> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
>> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
>> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
>> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
>> design.
> What do you own/drive now?
Well? By your own standard, your whine doesn't hold water unless you can
name a car brand that does better by its customers. What do you drive/own?
>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
>> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
>> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
>> Toyota they'd made.
>>
>What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
>is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.