Posted by greenpjs on November 6, 2009, 7:29 am
wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:12:20 -0600, Al Falfa wrote:
>>
>>>> And why call 911? Did they figure Scotty was going to beam them out of
>>>> the car?
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>> Under the circumstances, panic was very likely a factor. Putting one's
>>> car in neutral under such unusual circumstances is not a conditioned
>>> response.
>>
>> Last time something like this happened to me, I was 19. I also am not a
>> CHiP. I knew enough to put the car in neutral and kill the motor.
>>
>I don't know if the Lexus is like the Prius but there is nothing intuitive
>about shifting from a Prius from Drive to Neutral. The shift lever is
>always resting in the neutral position. After playing with this for a while
>it seems the fastest way to get from drive to neutral is to pull it into the
>drive slot and then move back to the neutral slot. Is this what you did
>when you were 19?
The shift level does NOT rest in the Neutral position. If yours does,
you should get it repaired. To shift to neutral, just move the lever
to the left and let go. This action is just like going into drive or
reverse without the down or up part of the motion.
Posted by Al Falfa on November 6, 2009, 10:00 am
> The shift level does NOT rest in the Neutral position. If yours does,
> you should get it repaired. To shift to neutral, just move the lever
> to the left and let go. This action is just like going into drive or
> reverse without the down or up part of the motion.
I just returned from my car where I tried what you describe. My
spring-loaded shift lever *always* returns to a dot just to the right of the
"N." I started the car and shifted to "D". The lever returned to the dot
just to the right of "N" but the display indicator correctly showed it was
in "D." I followed your suggestion, moving the stick from the at-rest dot
to "N" several times. Nothing happens. The car remains in "D." To get it
to "N" I had to first move it to "D" (or P or R) and then back to "N."
I have a 2010 IV. Will someone else with a 2010 please verify what I found?
Posted by Cathy on November 6, 2009, 7:21 pm
>> The shift level does NOT rest in the Neutral position. If yours does,
>> you should get it repaired. To shift to neutral, just move the lever
>> to the left and let go. This action is just like going into drive or
>> reverse without the down or up part of the motion.
> I just returned from my car where I tried what you describe. My
> spring-loaded shift lever *always* returns to a dot just to the right of
> the "N." I started the car and shifted to "D". The lever returned to the
> dot just to the right of "N" but the display indicator correctly showed it
> was in "D." I followed your suggestion, moving the stick from the at-rest
> dot to "N" several times. Nothing happens. The car remains in "D." To
> get it to "N" I had to first move it to "D" (or P or R) and then back to
> "N."
> I have a 2010 IV. Will someone else with a 2010 please verify what I
> found?
I'm not absolutely positive I'm following correctly, but... think I am, &
tried it today since I'd not yet had the need to shift to neutral.
Had the car on (but stationary) and in D - & of course the shifter was in
its "home" spot (the dot), then shifted to N & let go. Of course the shifter
immediately reverted to its "home" spot again, but the dash display did
confirm that it was then in neutral. (IOW, I didn't need to shift it to the
D or B or R location before going to N, it just went into neutral when I
shifted it to N.)
As a tangent to this (use of gears): The salesman said he didn't know why
they bothered with the "B" gear and that I'd prob. never use it, but I've
used it twice so far, when coming down steep hills. Used it as I would've
before, when I would've down-shifted to help w. the braking. OTOH, the "EV"
mode - unless I run out of gas someday, within half a mile of a gas
station.... at this point I don't really see myself using that little gizmo
mode.
Cathy
Posted by Al Falfa on November 6, 2009, 7:35 pm
>>
>>> The shift level does NOT rest in the Neutral position. If yours does,
>>> you should get it repaired. To shift to neutral, just move the lever
>>> to the left and let go. This action is just like going into drive or
>>> reverse without the down or up part of the motion.
>>
>> I just returned from my car where I tried what you describe. My
>> spring-loaded shift lever *always* returns to a dot just to the right of
>> the "N." I started the car and shifted to "D". The lever returned to
>> the dot just to the right of "N" but the display indicator correctly
>> showed it was in "D." I followed your suggestion, moving the stick from
>> the at-rest dot to "N" several times. Nothing happens. The car remains
>> in "D." To get it to "N" I had to first move it to "D" (or P or R) and
>> then back to "N."
>>
>> I have a 2010 IV. Will someone else with a 2010 please verify what I
>> found?
> I'm not absolutely positive I'm following correctly, but... think I am, &
> tried it today since I'd not yet had the need to shift to neutral.
> Had the car on (but stationary) and in D - & of course the shifter was in
> its "home" spot (the dot), then shifted to N & let go. Of course the
> shifter immediately reverted to its "home" spot again, but the dash
> display did confirm that it was then in neutral. (IOW, I didn't need to
> shift it to the D or B or R location before going to N, it just went into
> neutral when I shifted it to N.)
> As a tangent to this (use of gears): The salesman said he didn't know why
> they bothered with the "B" gear and that I'd prob. never use it, but I've
> used it twice so far, when coming down steep hills. Used it as I would've
> before, when I would've down-shifted to help w. the braking. OTOH, the
> "EV" mode - unless I run out of gas someday, within half a mile of a gas
> station.... at this point I don't really see myself using that little
> gizmo mode.
> Cathy
Thanks for trying this Cathy. I learned in another group that to get it in
neutral it has to be held in the N position for two seconds. I tried that
and it does work. I was just moving it to N and releasing. By moving into
the other positions I was, apparently, dwelling on the N position long
enough.
It was nice to learn this alone in my parked car and not careening wildly
down the road with my passengers screaming in terror. The lesson: Pull the
knob to the left and hold it there with the brake fully and continuously
engaged.
Posted by E. Meyer on November 9, 2009, 12:09 pm
On 11/9/09 9:30 AM, in article
hJadnXIdqY48qGXXnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@earthlink.com, "Mr Ed"
>>
>>> jr92 wrote:
>>>> I had the same problem happen to me many years ago. My '76 Pinto had
>>>> the throttle stick wide open. After about 8 minutes, and a top end
>>>> speed of about 67mph, I found a cotton field and ran it into it,
>>>> slowing me down enough that I could jump out of the car before it hit
>>>> a fence post. I wasnt hurt, but it cost me 94 bucks to replace the
>>>> bumper that was busted
>>>
>>> Lucky you didn't burn to death in the fuel fire Pintos were famous for.
>>
>> While Pinto's may have been famous for this, it was not a justifiable
>> accusation. The facts are much different that the perception. Pintos were
>> no more likely to catch on fire that other small cars from the same era.
>> Pintos were the victim of a viscous smear campaign sort of like what is
>> building over this Toyota floor mat / cruise control / unintended
>> acceleration issue.
>>
>> Ed
> It was a justifiable accusation. My son's car was rear ended and it
> shortened his Pinto by 4 inches. We wrapped a chain around the bumper to a
> tree, floored it and got 3 inches back. We looked at his gas tank and it
> had the drain plug indentation in the gas tank metal. He was one of the
> lucky ones. It didn't pierce it and explode. The drain plug should have
> been placed elsewhere out of dangers way. Then if it exploded it would be a
> normal accident.
>
And that was the essence of it. It was a very small car (by 1970's
standards) and because of the placement & design of the gas tank, if they
were rear-ended, they could & did blow up. To call it a "fuel fire" really
doesn't connote the actual problem.
Paranoia at the time smeared across all Fords and for a while, all you could
find in the used car lots were used Fords as people dumped them for anything
else. I got a really nice '70 Torino wagon for $150 at the height of the
craziness. Drove it for 6 months until things settled down & sold it for
$500.
> Mr Ed
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> http://www.ma-artleague.org
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~donnahayes/index.htm
>
>
>>
>>>> And why call 911? Did they figure Scotty was going to beam them out of
>>>> the car?
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>> Under the circumstances, panic was very likely a factor. Putting one's
>>> car in neutral under such unusual circumstances is not a conditioned
>>> response.
>>
>> Last time something like this happened to me, I was 19. I also am not a
>> CHiP. I knew enough to put the car in neutral and kill the motor.
>>
>I don't know if the Lexus is like the Prius but there is nothing intuitive
>about shifting from a Prius from Drive to Neutral. The shift lever is
>always resting in the neutral position. After playing with this for a while
>it seems the fastest way to get from drive to neutral is to pull it into the
>drive slot and then move back to the neutral slot. Is this what you did
>when you were 19?