Posted by Al Falfa on March 5, 2010, 7:28 pm
> On 3/5/2010 12:35 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>> On 3/5/2010 11:57 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>> On 3/5/2010 10:21 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When MSoft or Apple develope products that can kill me while you are
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> them, then we can discuss whether the codesets they use should be
>>>>>> proprietary or not. Right now, automakers are producing products that
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> kill you if used the way they are intended, and they are hiding
>>>>>> behind
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> idea that the data stored is their data or your data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Soon or later is the problem. It should be sooner rather than later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It will happen sooner than later so consider your wish granted.
>>>>> There's
>>>>> no
>>>>> doubt in my mind that the government will mandate that all cars shall
>>>>> have
>>>>> this electronic monitoring using the rational that this product can
>>>>> kill
>>>>> you as justification. Just remember that you asked for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth is that soon, many consumer products will be recording our
>>>>> behaviors and I don't much care for that. Even hearing aid are
>>>>> recording
>>>>> data these days. That's modern life for you. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not arguing that there should or should not be data. I'm arguing
>>>> that
>>>> if
>>>> there IS data, it's mine not the automakers'.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not here to call for Big Brother to hide under the back seat of my
>>>> car.
>>>> I'm here to say that if there is a window to what my car is doing AND
>>>> that
>>>> window is already in my car, then I should be allowed to pry the window
>>>> open
>>>> to see through it. The window ought not be locked shut in the name of
>>>> protecting the automaker. Indeed, if there is anybody in the equation
>>>> that
>>>> needs to be protected, it's you and I not the automaker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My guess is that in most cases, this data will be used against the
>>> driver
>>> because, in most cases, it's driver error that causes most accidents not
>>> a
>>> malfunctioning of the car therefore, making this information available
>>> will not be in the best interest of the consumer. Not to worry though -
>>> you're get what you wish for soon enough.
>>>
>>
>> Be that as it is, Toyota is buying off claimants because the data
>> apparently
>> shows that the car was at fault, not the claimant.
>>
>> TODAY, the data is proprietary, and Toyota is keeping the secret and
>> settling out of court because if it faces the plaintiff, the data will
>> show
>> Toyota is culpable.
>>
> I think it's likely that there is some electronic glitch causing problems
> with their cars and that Toyota is completely in the dark about how to
> solve this problem. When this all blows over, we'll be able to give a
> proper analysis of the situation and in hindsight, what Toyota should have
> done. Today I'm not going to worry about it. :-)
I heard they plan to upgrade to Windows 7.
Posted by dsi1 on March 5, 2010, 8:11 pm
On 3/5/2010 2:28 PM, Al Falfa wrote:
>> On 3/5/2010 12:35 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> On 3/5/2010 11:57 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/5/2010 10:21 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When MSoft or Apple develope products that can kill me while you are
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> them, then we can discuss whether the codesets they use should be
>>>>>>> proprietary or not. Right now, automakers are producing products
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> kill you if used the way they are intended, and they are hiding
>>>>>>> behind
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> idea that the data stored is their data or your data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Soon or later is the problem. It should be sooner rather than later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will happen sooner than later so consider your wish granted.
>>>>>> There's
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> doubt in my mind that the government will mandate that all cars shall
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> this electronic monitoring using the rational that this product
>>>>>> can kill
>>>>>> you as justification. Just remember that you asked for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The truth is that soon, many consumer products will be recording our
>>>>>> behaviors and I don't much care for that. Even hearing aid are
>>>>>> recording
>>>>>> data these days. That's modern life for you. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not arguing that there should or should not be data. I'm
>>>>> arguing that
>>>>> if
>>>>> there IS data, it's mine not the automakers'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not here to call for Big Brother to hide under the back seat of my
>>>>> car.
>>>>> I'm here to say that if there is a window to what my car is doing AND
>>>>> that
>>>>> window is already in my car, then I should be allowed to pry the
>>>>> window
>>>>> open
>>>>> to see through it. The window ought not be locked shut in the name of
>>>>> protecting the automaker. Indeed, if there is anybody in the equation
>>>>> that
>>>>> needs to be protected, it's you and I not the automaker.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that in most cases, this data will be used against the
>>>> driver
>>>> because, in most cases, it's driver error that causes most accidents
>>>> not a
>>>> malfunctioning of the car therefore, making this information available
>>>> will not be in the best interest of the consumer. Not to worry though -
>>>> you're get what you wish for soon enough.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be that as it is, Toyota is buying off claimants because the data
>>> apparently
>>> shows that the car was at fault, not the claimant.
>>>
>>> TODAY, the data is proprietary, and Toyota is keeping the secret and
>>> settling out of court because if it faces the plaintiff, the data
>>> will show
>>> Toyota is culpable.
>>>
>>
>> I think it's likely that there is some electronic glitch causing
>> problems with their cars and that Toyota is completely in the dark
>> about how to solve this problem. When this all blows over, we'll be
>> able to give a proper analysis of the situation and in hindsight, what
>> Toyota should have done. Today I'm not going to worry about it. :-)
> I heard they plan to upgrade to Windows 7.
Not a minute too soon. My understanding is that MS Vista for Toyota has
a few problems. One of them being that you need at least a V6 to run it.
:-)
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>>> On 3/5/2010 11:57 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>> On 3/5/2010 10:21 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When MSoft or Apple develope products that can kill me while you are
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> them, then we can discuss whether the codesets they use should be
>>>>>> proprietary or not. Right now, automakers are producing products that
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> kill you if used the way they are intended, and they are hiding
>>>>>> behind
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> idea that the data stored is their data or your data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Soon or later is the problem. It should be sooner rather than later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It will happen sooner than later so consider your wish granted.
>>>>> There's
>>>>> no
>>>>> doubt in my mind that the government will mandate that all cars shall
>>>>> have
>>>>> this electronic monitoring using the rational that this product can
>>>>> kill
>>>>> you as justification. Just remember that you asked for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth is that soon, many consumer products will be recording our
>>>>> behaviors and I don't much care for that. Even hearing aid are
>>>>> recording
>>>>> data these days. That's modern life for you. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not arguing that there should or should not be data. I'm arguing
>>>> that
>>>> if
>>>> there IS data, it's mine not the automakers'.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not here to call for Big Brother to hide under the back seat of my
>>>> car.
>>>> I'm here to say that if there is a window to what my car is doing AND
>>>> that
>>>> window is already in my car, then I should be allowed to pry the window
>>>> open
>>>> to see through it. The window ought not be locked shut in the name of
>>>> protecting the automaker. Indeed, if there is anybody in the equation
>>>> that
>>>> needs to be protected, it's you and I not the automaker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My guess is that in most cases, this data will be used against the
>>> driver
>>> because, in most cases, it's driver error that causes most accidents not
>>> a
>>> malfunctioning of the car therefore, making this information available
>>> will not be in the best interest of the consumer. Not to worry though -
>>> you're get what you wish for soon enough.
>>>
>>
>> Be that as it is, Toyota is buying off claimants because the data
>> apparently
>> shows that the car was at fault, not the claimant.
>>
>> TODAY, the data is proprietary, and Toyota is keeping the secret and
>> settling out of court because if it faces the plaintiff, the data will
>> show
>> Toyota is culpable.
>>
> I think it's likely that there is some electronic glitch causing problems
> with their cars and that Toyota is completely in the dark about how to
> solve this problem. When this all blows over, we'll be able to give a
> proper analysis of the situation and in hindsight, what Toyota should have
> done. Today I'm not going to worry about it. :-)