Posted by Roger Blake on July 26, 2007, 12:12 am
wrote:
> You're offering an unsubstantiated opinion, period.
The pot calls the kettle black once again. No surprise there.
> You are a miserable excuse for a human being.
All for driving a car that you don't like! Ah, the open-mindedness
and "caring" of the American Left knows no bounds! LOL! You are ugly
and your mother dresses you funny.
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Posted by Marc Gerges on July 26, 2007, 7:16 am
>> Prius production started in 1997, so the oldest ones on the road are
>> about 10 years, and a bunch passed 200000 miles. They hold up well, and
>
> Ten years is nothing. How will they be doing at the 15-year mark? The
> 20-year mark? A conventional 20-year old car in good condition still
> has utility and economic value. A 20-year-old hybrid with a dead battery
> pack will most likely wind up rusting away in the junkyard.
10 years currently is the best they can offer in real world data.
Extrapolating from that is promising - but no hard proven data, of
course. OTOH, on the 10 year mark they're doing a bunch better than the
average car.
I don't know the age distribution of cars in your part of the world, but
'over here' it's about 15-18 years. From the already available data, I
wouldn't really worry.
>> The bits different than a normal car are mostly copper 'n stuff for the
>> traction motors and the NiMH battery. Recycling for these bits is known.
>
> So what? Conventional cars are also recycled, if one happens to be
> interested in recycling. (I am not.)
The discussion doesn't work that way - whenever I counter one of your
unsubstantiated claims, you decide it's not important.
Gets really boring...
>> With an average life span of 250000 miles on a modern car, manufacturing
>> energy usage is about 30% of the entire energy usage, while
>> 'consumption' (gas, oil, etc) makes up for about 70%.
>
> I expect you are not including the mining and refining of raw materials,
> etc., and energy is not the only factor due the the amount of waste
> produced that must be dealt with.
The usual way to compare is by looking at raws (like copper, or
aluminum), and factoring in the usage of any given one of these. As well
as capturing what it takes to disassemble and recover materials out of
it.
An example, although not directly related to the hybrid technology: the
steering wheel, after removing the airbag and electronic bits clipped on
to it, is one single piece of polyurethane in order to facilitate
recycling.
Ever visited a modern recycling facility? Cars, dishwashers, doesn't
matter... the organisation of dismantling is amazing.
> However, I only point that out as a data point that people who think
> that they are somehow "making a difference" by buying a shiny new
> hybrid are fooling themselves. (I personally am not concerned about
> energy usage or "saving the planet." My daily driver of choice gets a
> whopping 15 miles per gallon and I'm perfectly happy with that.)
I'm sure we all know. And we all know that if gas were 5 times the
price, you're filthy rich so you can finance it. But with more and more
people caring about their energy usage, less and less will be impressed.
cu
.\arc
Posted by richard schumacher on July 26, 2007, 3:37 pm
> > hybrid are fooling themselves. (I personally am not concerned about
> > energy usage or "saving the planet." My daily driver of choice gets a
> > whopping 15 miles per gallon and I'm perfectly happy with that.)
Then you are part of the problem and not the solution. Thanks for
sharing.
Posted by Michelle Steiner on July 25, 2007, 4:02 pm
> If gas prices triple or more, I'll still be hanging onto my gas
> burner and loving it.
That's because you don't give a shit about the planet or about people.
> Hybrids simply make no sense, particularly for a long-term vehicle.
They make sense to people who give a shit and who bother to think.
> And if you close your eyes, Tinkerbell will live.
I'm sure you know all about having your eyes closed. Try opening yours
for a change.
> You really should take your comedy act on the road, little one,
> you're a laugh riot.
You're anything but a laugh; you're pathetic.
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Posted by Roger Blake on July 25, 2007, 11:23 pm
wrote:
> That's because you don't give a shit about the planet or about people.
LOL! You are an idiot if you believe that gas mileage equates with
"caring about the planet or about people." Typical left-wing maggot.
No doubt given the opportunity you would seek to forcibly impose your
values on the rest of us, just because you *care* so damned much!
> They make sense to people who give a shit and who bother to think.
Another whopper!! Gad you libs are nothing if not predictable!
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