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Posted by Marc Gerges on July 25, 2007, 12:08 pm

Apart from heat, everything has a limited lifetime. Prius battery life
time is proven to cover the expected usage of the car.

Currently you may be borderline right. But depending on the place of the
world you're in and the evolution of gas prices, you'll be wrong in the
near future.

Plus, economy is but one reason to go there.

Quite a bit less than on a comparable diesel car, and it's nicely
recyclable, too.


Posted by Roger Blake on July 25, 2007, 1:01 pm

LOL! "Proven" by who? Unless of course the cars are already going
to the junkyard having reached their expected usage. (Even I didn't
believe it would be happening quite that fast.)

I am 100% right. I have done it. (In fact I have been driving the same
car for over 30 years.) Many others that I know have done it as well.
Cars do not have to be a disposable item.

Oh, so now you have a crystal ball? (If gas prices triple or more, I'll
still be hanging onto my gas burner and loving it.)

I see no reasons to go there. Hybrids simply make no sense, particularly
for a long-term vehicle.

Riiiigght. And if you close your eyes, Tinkerbell will live.

Of course you once again miss the point. Given the large amount of waste
and energy usage in the production of any new car, the "eco concsious"
thing to do is to keep your old one on the road.

You really should take your comedy act on the road, little one, you're
a laugh riot.

  Roger Blake
  (Subtract 10s for email.)

Posted by Marc Gerges on July 25, 2007, 2:13 pm

Prius production started in 1997, so the oldest ones on the road are
about 10 years, and a bunch passed 200000 miles. They hold up well, and
battery performance over this span has decreased an average of 2%. So
they're clearly in the green.

The bits different than a normal car are mostly copper 'n stuff for the
traction motors and the NiMH battery. Recycling for these bits is known.

With an average life span of 250000 miles on a modern car, manufacturing
energy usage is about 30% of the entire energy usage, while
'consumption' (gas, oil, etc) makes up for about 70%.


Posted by Roger Blake on July 25, 2007, 11:20 pm

Ten years is nothing. How will they be doing at the 15-year mark? The
20-year mark? A conventional 20-year old car in good condition still
has utility and economic value. A 20-year-old hybrid with a dead battery
pack will most likely wind up rusting away in the junkyard.

So what? Conventional cars are also recycled, if one happens to be
interested in recycling. (I am not.)

I expect you are not including the mining and refining of raw materials,
etc., and energy is not the only factor due the the amount of waste
produced that must be dealt with. However, I only point that out as a data
point that people who think that they are somehow "making a difference"
by buying a shiny new hybrid are fooling themselves.  (I personally am
not concerned about energy usage or "saving the planet." My daily driver
of choice gets a whopping 15 miles per gallon and I'm perfectly happy
with that.)

  Roger Blake
  (Subtract 10s for email.)

Posted by Michelle Steiner on July 25, 2007, 11:46 pm

Why am I not surprised?  It goes with your "I've got mine; fuck everyone
else" mentality.

You're offering an unsubstantiated opinion, period.

Why am I not surprised?  It goes with your "I've got mine; fuck everyone
else" mentality.

You are a miserable excuse for a human being.

Support the troops:  Bring them home ASAP.

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