Posted by Mr Ed on October 8, 2008, 11:29 pm
Let's face it. All energy originated during the big boom.
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>>> > The Prius is NOT an electric car.
>>>
>>> The Prius captures, stores and uses kinetic energy.
>>
>> Yep. So?
>>
>> The kinetic energy comes from--take a deep breath--the burning of
>> gasoline. Period. No other source of energy causes the kinetic energy.
>>
>> It's not a Tesla. It's a gas-burning Prius. Only a moron would come
>> into the Prius newsgroup and talk about a Tesla, just like only a moron
>> would go into a Windows newsgroup and talk about Macintosh.
>>
>>
>>> Sometimes it operates
>>> as an electric car, especially when backing up or starting from a dead
>>> stop.
>>
>> It is never an electric car--the hybrid synergy drive is a SYSTEM that
>> happens to use electricity as part of the SYSTEM. You
>> cannot--CANNOT--divorce the electrics from the internal combustion
>> engine. The two operate as a SYSTEM, unlike the Tesla which is a pure
>> electric car.
>>
>> That a car uses electricity to do some things doesn't make it an
>> electric car. Every car uses electricity to start the engine and to run
>> the lights and radio; does that mean that we should discuss any and
>> every car in this forum?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Because of its ability to capture kinetic energy, gasoline is *not* its
>>> only
>>> propellant.
>>
>> The ONLY source of energy put into the Prius is gasoline. Period. It
>> is a gasoline car. How it manages that gasoline, how the SYSTEM manages
>> that gasoline energy, is one thing. But make no mistake--and you
>> repeatedly do--the Prius can do nothing without gasoline being put into
>> it.
>>
>> The Tesla does everything without a drop of gasoline put into it, right?
>>
>> So this is a Prius newsgroup, and the Prius is as unrelated to the Tesla
>> as it is a Pontiac.
> Using this logic, then, my Tesla would be a coal car and someone else's
> Tesla would be a hydroelectric car. The next guy's Tesla would actually
> be running on natural gas and someone else's would be nuclear powered. I
> find this quite amusing. I suppose if your grid contains power from
> multiple sources the Tesla would have to be a hybrid.
>
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on October 9, 2008, 12:59 am
> > So this is a Prius newsgroup, and the Prius is as unrelated to the Tesla
> > as it is a Pontiac.
>
> Using this logic, then, my Tesla would be a coal car
You don't put coal into the Tesla. You plug it into the electric grid.
You're making shit up because you don't have anything else to say, and
you hate having that shoved down your throat.
Posted by Michelle Steiner on October 8, 2008, 9:47 pm
> just like only a moron would go into a Windows newsgroup and talk
> about Macintosh.
That rarely happens, but we get lots of people trolling about Windows in
the Mac newsgroups.
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Posted by Michelle Vadeboncoeur on October 9, 2008, 12:47 pm
> I repeat: the Prius isn't an electric car. It's a gasoline car. The
> ONLY--the ONLY--source of energy that's put into the car is gasoline.
> It uses an internal combustion engine to translate that stored gasoline
> energy into energy for the propulsion system.
> The Prius is NOT an electric car.
For tax year 2000 (and maybe 2001, IIRC), the US IRS hadn't specified
what tax benefits the Toyota Prius qualified for. If you used the
IRS' ask an agent email/phone option, depending on who you spoke with
you were either told that it:
*qualified for the Qualified Electric Vehicle $000 CREDIT (without
the electric side, the car wouldn't even start... besides the EV mode
and self-generation arguements), using IRS form 8834
*was not a Qualified Electric Vehicle, but did qualify as a Clean
Fueled Vehicle for a $000 tax DEDUCTION
*the Prius didn't qualify for either tax choice
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/24/business/24HYBR.html?ex=1223697600&en=
=070989b3f3e5bab4&ei=5070
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/message/29231
On several Prius groups, some people took the credit those years, and
were not audited. Many of us 2001/2002 US Prius owners went with the
safer deduction. With the exception of a MA state tax computer
problem (which rejected many (but not all) of the tax forms which used
the write-in deduction, so my mother was mailed that she owed more
taxes than she really did (it was a state error - it did qualify)), no
one had any denials...
Later in 2002 IIRC the IRS specified which hybrid vehicles would
qualify for the tax DEDUCTION, and that they no longer qualified for
the EV credit...
Of course, there was the 2005 Energy bill that gave hybrids tax
CREDITS beginning with the 2006 tax year...
Posted by drydem on October 9, 2008, 4:50 am
> I read all th Q7As every thing was fine until I got down to cost. I am going
> to wait more.
IIRC
the Tesla sport car cost about 105,000
dollars each and there is a waiting list for them.
However, if you willing to wait until 2011,
reports that I am reading suggest that the
upcoming new generation of EVs -
like the Volt or Chrysler's EV jeeps
will initial cost 10,000 dollars more
more than a comparable new PHEV/ HEV
and almost 20,000 dollars more than a regular
conventional gas/diesel vehicle.
When the Volt and Chrylser's EV jeep
reach the dealerships about 2010 or 2011,
these new EVs are expected to cost from
40,000 to 60,000 each. Reports suggest
the new PHEV Prius and Insight which
should arrive at the dealers around 2010
and cost from 25,000 to 33,000.
I am expecting the Hyundai HEV which
should arrive at the dealership around
2011 is likely to be the cheapest HEV
on the market.
Both EVs and PHEVs purchased in 2009
and there afterwards may qualify for
tax credit.
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>>> > The Prius is NOT an electric car.
>>>
>>> The Prius captures, stores and uses kinetic energy.
>>
>> Yep. So?
>>
>> The kinetic energy comes from--take a deep breath--the burning of
>> gasoline. Period. No other source of energy causes the kinetic energy.
>>
>> It's not a Tesla. It's a gas-burning Prius. Only a moron would come
>> into the Prius newsgroup and talk about a Tesla, just like only a moron
>> would go into a Windows newsgroup and talk about Macintosh.
>>
>>
>>> Sometimes it operates
>>> as an electric car, especially when backing up or starting from a dead
>>> stop.
>>
>> It is never an electric car--the hybrid synergy drive is a SYSTEM that
>> happens to use electricity as part of the SYSTEM. You
>> cannot--CANNOT--divorce the electrics from the internal combustion
>> engine. The two operate as a SYSTEM, unlike the Tesla which is a pure
>> electric car.
>>
>> That a car uses electricity to do some things doesn't make it an
>> electric car. Every car uses electricity to start the engine and to run
>> the lights and radio; does that mean that we should discuss any and
>> every car in this forum?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Because of its ability to capture kinetic energy, gasoline is *not* its
>>> only
>>> propellant.
>>
>> The ONLY source of energy put into the Prius is gasoline. Period. It
>> is a gasoline car. How it manages that gasoline, how the SYSTEM manages
>> that gasoline energy, is one thing. But make no mistake--and you
>> repeatedly do--the Prius can do nothing without gasoline being put into
>> it.
>>
>> The Tesla does everything without a drop of gasoline put into it, right?
>>
>> So this is a Prius newsgroup, and the Prius is as unrelated to the Tesla
>> as it is a Pontiac.
> Using this logic, then, my Tesla would be a coal car and someone else's
> Tesla would be a hydroelectric car. The next guy's Tesla would actually
> be running on natural gas and someone else's would be nuclear powered. I
> find this quite amusing. I suppose if your grid contains power from
> multiple sources the Tesla would have to be a hybrid.
>