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Posted by Sekula on August 24, 2010, 6:13 pm
Yes and I'm saying that one of those soultions is totally unacceptable to
anyone but an utter moron. You had to see how badly the Tesla kept breaking
down and the wait for spare parts too lol...forget it!! As I said the Prius
is THE car for me.
Posted by Neo on August 24, 2010, 11:21 am
the video in question
Wikipedia documents that the Top Gear review of the Tesla Roadster is
The segment also showed the car's batteries running flat after 55
miles (89 km), saying that the recharge would take 16 hours and also
that the car then broke down. Tesla Motors' spokesperson responded
with statements in blogs and to mainstream news organizations that the
cars provided to Top Gear never had less than 20% charge and never
experienced brake failure. In addition, neither car provided to
Top Gear needed to be pushed off the track at any point. Finally,
although Clarkson showed a limp windmill and complained that it would
take countless hours to refuel the car using such a source of
electricity, the car can be charged from a 240V outlet in as little as
3.5 hours. After numerous blogs and several large news
organizations began following the controversy, the BBC issued a
statement saying "the tested Tesla was filmed being pushed into the
shed in order to show what would happen if the Roadster had run out of
charge. Top Gear stands by the findings in this film and is content
that it offers a fair representation of the Tesla's performance on the
day it was tested," without addressing the other misrepresentations
that Tesla highlighted to the media. After several weeks of
increasing pressure and inquiries from the BBC, Clarkson wrote a blog
for The Times of London, acknowledging that "that the film we had shot
was a bit of a mess."
I have never driven on a race track and it sound cool but
Top Gear's testing environments is no where close to
my real world driving experience or environment. With
all the photo speed traps and traffic lights in the
Washington DC area, speeding around the way
Top Gear's Clarkson is doing would be a sure way
to rack up a mountain of traffic tickets or worst
yet get into a traffic accident. During rush hour,
even our local superhighway slows down due to
traffic congestion. So even the fastest and
most expensive sports car is crawling at a snails
pace next to the slowest and cheapest econobox.
Vehicle height and Size turns out to be more important
in DC. Vehicle height allows a driver to see further
ahead of traffic ( and block the view of any competing
traffic behind you). Vehicle size/mass protects
the driver in a traffic accident against smaller
competing vehicles and can be use to intimidate
drivers in smaller vehicles to stay out of the way.
I'll be the first to say that the 2010 Prius is
not perfect and it could still be improved but
here in the USA - the Toyota Prius is the defacto
green car standard and full hybrid to beat.
The 2010 Toyota Pruis cost is in the 20K range and it
can gets 50mpg without much effort. It's closest
rival, the 2010 Honda Insight is slightly cheaper
but does not match its fuel efficiency and it is a
Currently, my 2010 Prius main computer
estimates that I am getting about 65.5 mpg
for the last 400+ miles that I've driven . While
the Prius on board computer MPG estimates
tend to be one or three mpg too high - that's
still significantly higher than the EPA rating
and four to six times more than the mpg one
would get from a conventional gas powered
SUV or high powered sports car.
The 3rd Generation Hybrid System Indicator
and the MPG bar display is a significant
FE ergonomic improvement over 2nd Generation.
The EV mode is also useful for quick electric
accelerations under 24 mph.
Lastly, the Toyota Prius has a large and active
user group which is extremely useful when
learning and taking advantage of a new technology.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on August 24, 2010, 2:08 pm
What you meant to say was, "While its closest rival, the Honda Insight,
hsa slightly lower mileage, it is cheaper."
Cost of ownership. You're falling into the same trap that Top Gear
tried to make in your mind. 45 vs 50? How about $5K vs. $8K? That
extra $K can buy quite a lot of gas, more than enough to offset the
5mpg difference for the life of the car.
Posted by Daniel who wants to know on August 25, 2010, 7:09 am
Screw the payback calculations. The fact alone that the Prius is a
series-parallel "full" hybrid with 2 motor/generators instead of the Honda
IMA "assist" with 1 motor/generator is enough to make me want the Prius.
Why is a fuel usage payback period so damned important anyway? People who
throw giant 20 some inch chrome spinners on their car certainly aren't
expecting a payback but they shell out the dough anyway. As I still say, I
would almost kill to have an NHW20 Prius but if all you want is pure, cheap
FE, go buy a Geo Metro with the 3 cylinder and play "In a Yugo" by Paul
Shanklin while you drive around. BTW IaY is a damn funny song despite my
hatred of Rush.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on August 25, 2010, 10:54 am
Because it's an important factor in how much the car costs (not its
price, its cost).
And people who are buying fuel-efficient cars are, by and large,
sensistive to cost.
What you're saying there is that to buy a Prius (or Insight) is a
fashion statement, nothing more.
That's bullshit. While some idiots buy a Prius to say "look at me, I
bought a Prius!", most are buying it to save money. Using less gas is a
big part of that. Yes, the car has a higher price tag than a Corolla;
some can't get past even THAT, and they buy a Corolla. But the Prius is
bigger and more easily seats five people, and those in back have huge
amounts of leg room. And in addition to that, the fuel savings over a
long period of time offset the price difference.
Cost. Not price.
You forget the VALUE equation. As I said above, the Prius is a fairly
large car inside for what it is, and it's going to last much longer than
the Metro--which makes it a much better value overall.
The Insight should be (yeah, well, Honda, let's see you get out of your
battery woes) similarly more valuable than the Metro, albeit with a
slightly different value equation given its lower price and slightly
lower fuel economy. It's also a much, much safer car than a 20 year old
Metro, which is part of the VALUE equation.
You're fooling yourself with all these straw men you're setting up. I
love my Prius, but I recognize that other cars have value close to it.
I most certainly do NOT say, "I'll buy a Prius no matter what just like
that guy buys 20 inch chrome spinners no matter what--like a three year
old wanting what he wants no matter what".