Posted by Leftie on November 25, 2011, 1:01 am
Three year lease, $79 a month. It would have been $k down, but
Toyota paid $k of it - after boosting the retail price with things like
chrome panels, of course. Selling our old Camry wagon covered almost all
the up-front cost. 13k miles per year limit, buy after lease option of
$5k and some change. We thought the latter was a good deal, back when
we thought we'd be keeping the car. We've never leased before, and only
did it this time because it was the easiest way for us to afford what we
though was a great car. Live and learn.
Posted by bwilson4web on November 25, 2011, 4:06 am
Due to Alabama's "papers please" law, I had to payoff my wife's car,
$3k, with 23,000 miles on it after 15 months. If I remember, we were
paying ~$30/mo. Regardless, it is ours free and clear so we've
It is one reason I suggest folks rent the car for a couple of days.
This 'takes the new off' and if the car doesn't work out, you're free
to find one that does work. Sorry it didn't work out but I learned a
long time ago that requirements vary and folks have to make choices
that work for them.
Good luck on your next car,
Posted by Leftie on November 25, 2011, 5:31 am
We didn't mind the car for almost a year, so that wouldn't have
worked. The controls were always too small for me, but not for her, and
we thought the interior plastics' outgassing would stop in a reasonably
short time (the plastic still smells bad after more than a year). It did
badly enough on ice that we were having second thoughts, but that was
several months after we bought it. The cruise control was improperly set
up, and the car would indeed unintentionally accelerate under certain
conditions, but that was fixed at the first service stop. Part of why
I'm posting this is to help people who want a "Greener" car but aren't
necessarily fixated on the Prius. To them I'd say "look at the Civic
hybrid", although I've had two older Civics develop rainwater leaks
under the windshield, so may there are *no* good cars out there...
Posted by bwilson4web on November 25, 2011, 2:04 pm
. . .
Understood but in my case, the first Prius was a 2003 Prius bought in
2005. So we didn't seen any infantile problems with that car. We
bought our 2010 new in May 2009 and it was no big deal. It was helped
by adding rain-guards so the windows could be cracked in our hot,
Alabama summers. Since this was my wife's car, it had plenty of time
to 'out gas' and I noticed but didn't spend enough time in the car to
be bothered. As for snow and ice, well North Alabama shuts down when
it snows . . . folks panic.
I did try snow and ice testing during a 2-3 day period when there was
snow and ice on some of the back roads. I was trying to replicate the
braking 'pause' problem but had no luck. I even did an emergency stop
on a road where thanks to the pine tree shade, half was snow and ice
and the other half dry . . . no problem. Also, some maximum
acceleration up a snow covered, steep hill, no problem. The traction
control/ABS worked perfectly and I had full control. It took another
2-3 weeks before I was able to replicate the brake pause.
We never had a problem but I remember reading about Steve Wozniak
being surprised by a 'resume' function in the adaptive cruise control.
Surprised but easily dealt with.
Actually, I'm more of a 'greenback dollar' fan given I live in a state
with no safety, emissions testing or checking. However, every now and
then I'm stuck behind a pickup that has been 'fixed' by some 'anti-
liberal, shade-tree mechanic' and reminded of the stench. We also have
motorcycle clubs that do a good job of being noisy, smelly and
inefficient. Still, it is easy enough to close the cabin air intake
and crack the windows.
Those 'retro' modified vehicles don't last long as fuel injection,
modern emissions control engines. They combine the inefficiency of the
old crappy carburetor based and unreliability of the plumber's
nightmares of the 1970 and 80s. Dummies, I have no sympathy for the
what reality will teaches them.
We found the Civic and Insight to be too small for us. My wife has bad
knees and squatting down to get in the Hondas would be too painful.
Then when I tried to get in the Insight, I hit my head hard enough to
see a 'flash.' I had a similar experience with a Jetta TDI. There are
some cars that are just too small for us.
Regardless, it sounds like you've got a better idea of what to look
for in your next car.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on November 25, 2011, 2:09 pm
what does THAT mean?