Posted by bwilson4web on June 26, 2011, 10:48 am
Reciently, the Detroit News published this article:
"By David Shepardson
. . .
The 56.2 mpg figure and EPA's proposed greenhouse gas emissions limits
equivalent likely is an opening bargaining point. The final proposal
could change as automakers and the White House hold more meetings to
try to again reach agreement.
The administration plans to formally propose new standards in
September and finalize them by July 2012.
It estimated last fall that hiking fuel efficiency to 56 mpg by 2025
would boost the average vehicle cost by $,100 to $,600. But the
administration said the rule would save car owners $,500 to $,000
over the vehicle's lifetime in fuel costs, and owners would recoup the
additional up-front cost within 2.5 to 3.5 years.
The high mileage requirement would dramatically reshape what Americans
drive. Currently, passenger vehicles must average 30.2 mpg and light
trucks 24.1 mpg in government testing, but vehicles get far less in
. . ."
Hummm, 56.2 MPG, it is my summer mileage as my last tank was 52.4 MPG.
The real threat of the Prius and Insight has been their performance
eviscerates the 'we can't do that' arguments of those ignorant, sissy,
stupid idiots who prefer inefficient vehicles. Remember, these are the
same managers who drove GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy.
Look, I don't mind the fleeting and soon forgotten comments of hybrid
skeptics. My 2003 Prius is still getting better than 50 MPG after over
138,000 miles. It remains a hard fact the skeptics can insult but not
match. Screw the liars!
What it really comes down to is facts and data, something that fools
can try to ignore but over time, fades into the obscurity it so richly
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on June 26, 2011, 11:58 am
But even Toyota can't do that outside the Prius, even using hybrid
Posted by Neo on June 30, 2011, 1:50 pm
While the Toyota Prius is the top fuel efficient mass produced
car in the USA, globally,the Toyota Prius fuel efficiency performance
is not unique.
Toyota's hybrid synergy drive also faces competing technologies
which have the potential to deliver similar fuel efficiency.
In Europe, the VW Polo Bluemotion hybrid reportedly can
match Toyota Prius hybrid synergy drive's FE performance
In Japan, the Honda Hybrid Fit/Shuttle mild hybrid FE
matches or is very close to that of the Toyota Prius.
In the USA, Cleanmpg.com forums are reporting that the
3rd Gen Prius is getting from 52 to 68 mpg overall and
the 2nd gen Insight is getting as high as 78 mpg.
(Hymotion) PHEV versions of the Prius can reportedly
gets up to 100 mpg. In the next few years China's BYD
and Korea's Hyundai hybrids will likely challenge the
Prius' dominance as the world's most fuel efficient
mass produced vehicle. Realizing that the position
as the leader will face signficant challenges in the
future, Toyota is planning to exploit the Prius global market
penetration and name recognition by expanding its
Prius product line - one of them is a smaller version of
the Prius (Yaris/Auris size) that many believe will
get higher MPGs than the 3rd Gen Prius.
The proposed fuel efficiency to 56 mpg by 2025 is a composite EPA
fleet fuel efficiency rating so some vehicles may get lower mpg
while other vehicles may get higher mpgs. The GM, Ford, Chrysler
were fighting the higher FE standards because it could potentially
limit the sales and raise the cost of hi-profit margin truck/suv
segment in the USA.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 9, 2011, 11:22 am
Toyota can't make the hybrid synergy drive efficiencies scale well.
They've proven that by implementing it outside the Prius with only
Posted by bwilson4web on July 10, 2011, 11:51 am
Good to see you finally decided to turn of the automatic delete:
Electric vehicle technologies have advanced so the Leaf and Tesla are
considerably advanced over what had been available before. Yet they
still suffer from long refueling times. So the Toyota Plug-in Prius is
planned for 2012 and pre-production versions are running around . . .
competition for the Chevy Volt.
So far, we keep finding hybrids continue to lead in vehicle classes
Small Cars - Leaf, Smartfortwo electric, Civic Hybrid, Volt
Family Sedans - Prius, Mercury Milan/Ford Fusion hybrid, Honda Insight
Pickups - Ford Ranger, Toyota Tacoma, Chevy Silverado hybrid
SUVs - Ford Escape/Mercury Mariner hybrid, Mazda Tribute hybrid, Lexus
Toyota has no monopoly on hybrids but they do have the highest
mileage, family sedan, the Prius which is not an exception in