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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 10, 2011, 12:52 pm
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you.

Posted by bwilson4web on July 10, 2011, 2:13 pm
One of the joys of poking the troll comes from when they post their
nonsense with automatic deletion of their message:


Well 'Elmo,' in seven days, your original posting will disappear and
only my quote of your message will remain.

I suggest you spend more time in political discussion groups where
your posts will be well received and enjoy the attention they deserve.
Your ignorance about the Prius and all things auto really has no place

Talking about Prius, the June sales came in and this is likely to be
the lowest monthly rate since the Tsunami:

    * 4,340 - June 2011
    * 6,924 - May 2011
    * 12,447 - April 2011
    * 18,605 - March 2011

When the May numbers came out, there were a few snarky articles that
the hybrids were done. But something else is happening and other
hybrids are filling in the Toyota gap. If Toyota production resumes
and the gap fillers remain viable, we're looking at breaking the 3%
take barrier.

Adoption of a new technology often follows an "S" shaped curve. Now
that others have figured out how to make competitive hybrids, high
fuel prices and more ramp up the market penetration.

Bob Wilson

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 10, 2011, 3:46 pm
 In article

So, you're admitting that you pollute the netwaves with whatever YOU
want to say, regardless of the facts.  That you don't hesitate to make
things up for your own entertainment.

You are the definition of a troll...

In the meantime, that doesn't change the fact that Toyota's hybrid
synergy drive simply doesn't scale well outside the Prius.

Hell, it doesn't scale well INSIDE the Prius family, as they admit even
with the Prius V.

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 10, 2011, 3:47 pm
 In article

I know more about the Prius than you do.  What YOU know about the Prius
is what you WANT to know.  You don't want to know the pieces that are
inconvenient to your political agenda.

You are the very definition of a troll...

Posted by bwilson4web on July 11, 2011, 1:11 am
 First off, congratulations. Two more postings made without automatic
deletion. It is a critical first step to your recovery. So to address
your technical questions:


Except Toyota keeps on doing it over and over again. Probably because
it works so well. The measure of success is not what one says but what
one does and Toyota is doing it again. But so too is Ford which uses a
similar hybrid drive system in their Ford Fusion, Escape and up coming
minivan. Like the proverbial bumblebee that is not supposed to fly,
Toyota continues to apply this technology with new models including
the Lexus as is Ford.


I notice you didn't mention the Prius C which is likely to match the
first version, Honda Insight mileage and beat it in city testing. The
Hybrid Synergy Drive is just one part of a high mileage vehicle.

Rolling and aerodynamic drag are the forces that determine how much
energy is needed per mile at any given speed. Newton defined force
over distance as work and that is completely independent of the drive
train.These drag forces are driven by the vehicle shape, cross-
section, weight, and tires. Larger vehicles like the Prius V have
higher rolling and aerodynamic drag than the ZVW30, 2010-current Prius
which is the tradeoff for more payload. In contrast, the Prius C is a
small car and it should have awesome MPG.

The first generation Honda Insight, a two-seater with an aluminum body
and aerodynamic shape has very good mileage even though its Integrated
Motor Assist (IMA) is less capable than the Prius. The light weight
and aerodynamic shape gave it excellent performance at a significant
loss of payload. In contrast, the larger Prius out sold and continued
long after the first generation Insight was discontinued. Fortunately,
the current, 5-seat, Honda Insight carries forward the same
architecture, perfect for a head-to-head comparison to the 5-seat,
ZVW30 Prius.

So let's do a compare and contrast:

value = (passenger+cargo volume) * MPG
5,684 = (94+22) * 49.0 :: vehicle A
4,949 = (85+16) * 49.0 :: vehicle B
5,219 = (96+16) * 46.6 :: vehicle C

So here is a quick test of your 'auto' skills. Can you identify which
vehicles these are and where the mileage numbers came from?

Bob Wilson

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