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Posted by Bill on October 19, 2005, 5:28 am

Probably not.  I made the mistake of putting wax on the finish between the
windows.  That turned white (my car is black) and I'm hoping I can remove it
with a mild ammonia solution.  Any ideas?

Posted by Jean B. on October 19, 2005, 11:32 am
Bill wrote:

Oh yuck!  I think I'll stick with the car wash!

Jean B.

Posted by Hachiroku on October 20, 2005, 2:00 am
 On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:32:06 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

Arrrr! You could be ruining the paint!

If you're using the Brush car washes, I don't care HOW 'paint friendly'
they say they are, they do damage the paint! After about 50 carwashes, go
out and look on a nice, bright sunny day, and you'll see the
'spider-webbing' in the finish. This is caused by carwashes with the

Tha manual washes with the 'foaming brush' are just as bad.

Get an artificial sheepskin mitt, and bring a bucket with you. Wash the
mitt in the washer occasionally, or just buy a new one once in a while.

One thing I have noticed with Toyotas (I work at a Toyota dealer...) and
really with ALL cars: the new VOC requirements for Auto paint have made
the finishes REAL soft, and they will scratch and blemish VERY easily.

A good coat of wax every three months and a godd washing in between will
kepp you car looking good for a long time. With the prices of cars these

Posted by Jean B. on October 20, 2005, 10:59 am
 Hachiroku wrote:

Oh gee.  :-(  Mt 3-year old VW looks pretty good--unless you
look very closely, abd then you would see those tiny little
lines.  I go to the car washes that tout themselves as
touchless or something, although they do have dangling strips
of cloth.  Everything else is blown on and off.

I have to say I am a bit reluctant to take this car to the car
wash though.  I'm afraid those strips of cloth will get caught
on the spoiler/the mirrors....  Probably unfounded fears...

Jean B.

Posted by Hachiroku on October 20, 2005, 1:44 pm
 On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:59:06 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

Ask the Car and Driver editor that took a Brand New 1996 Supra twin turbo
through the car was and ripped off the $00 spoiler! Of course, it was
about 4 times the size of yours!

Hey, I'm guilty, too, but I have 'classic' Toyotas with more robust paint!
It took years for the swirls to show up (I also wax 4 times a year and
buff every two...)

The paint on the newer cars (2001 up) is junk. Some of the worst paint I
have ever seen. It has to do with the Federal VOC laws.

If you had the car Simonized when you bought it, you should have been
given a kit with it. Follow the instructions. if you didn't, DON'T!!! I
have seen Simonized cars get just as bad as others; the only difference is
the guarantee. BTW, they DO seem to honor the guarantee quite nicely: we
had a car come in with encrusted bird droppings and they painted the hood,
no problem!

Otherwise, go to AutoZone, etc and get some Meguire's wax (in the Yellow
can, or Gold Class) Don't use a cleaner wax unless you absolutely have to!
Give it a good coat of wax abut every 3-4 months and it should look good
for a long, long time!

Good Luck!

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