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Posted by C. E. White on February 25, 2010, 5:17 pm

Well maybe German cars hold up better in Europe than in the US. But,
I've had to many negative experiencs with the eletrical bits of German
cars sold in the US to think that Bosch makes everything perfect. I
survived 3 VWs, an Audi, a German built Fiesta, and a BMW. All had
electrical bits that failed....and failed again...and again. Power
windows, alternators, the stupid tail light assembles (who can't build
tail light bulb holders that work for 20 years - I tell you who, the
Germans!). Maybe the Italians and British do worse - I don't know, we
haven't gotten significant numbers of cars from those countries in

Here is my partially remembered list of electrical failures:

Fiesta (German built)- alternator - Bosch, but at least the brushes
were easy to repalce....and repalce again. Nothing else electrical on
the car that could fail.
Audi - cooling fan relay (and I only kept the car 3 years)
VW Jetta (German built) - in tank fuel pump - twice, alternator once,
all the power windows, fuse box melted
VW Passat (German built)  -alternator, all the power windows, sunroof
motor, instruments went flaky, burned out tail lights constantly
VW Jetta (Built in Mexico?) - dash would suddenly stop working and
then start again as mysteriously, underhood fuse block melted,
taillights burned out constantly, alternator failed, second fuse block
showed burned marks, got rid of the car
BMW 740 (GErman built) - what didn't go wrong with the electronics -
CD Player died, both tailight assemblies had to be replaced becasue
the contacts burned up, power windows failed, power seat failed, so
many things I can't remeber them all......This car was an absolute
money pit.

Only the BMW was purchased used (with less than 80k miles). All the
others were purchased new.

I like German cars. Thye usually fit me well, are comfortable, drive
well, and look great. But I don't think they are as reliable as
American or Japanese built cars. If I had plenty of excess cash, I'd
probably buy a Mercedes, but I don't think I'd expect the sort of
reliability you get from a Camry and I don't have plenty of cash.


Posted by Clive on February 26, 2010, 12:29 am

You're right they're not as reliable as Japanese cars, but nothing is as
unreliable (India and China excepted) as an American car.

Posted by Bob Cooper on February 26, 2010, 1:10 am

clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk says...

And here we have Clive, a British expert on German, American, Chinese,
Indian, and Japanese cars.
He is a most welcome addition to our current team of world auto experts,
Jim Beam and HairyChoke.
With this team, rec.autos.tech is now ready to take global questions.
We are fortunate, indeed.

Posted by =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$ on February 26, 2010, 1:23 am

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:10:03 -0600, Bob Cooper wrote:

It's Hachiroku. I knew you had some kind of reading deficiency.

BTW, I do have something hairy that could choke you, if I swung that way.
I don't, so you'll have to get your thrills elsewhere.

My guess is you're jealous because some of us actually know something.

Posted by Clive on February 26, 2010, 3:26 pm

I am not and have never claimed to be an expert and I have repeated
often that my information comes from a Consumer Magazine, here in the UK
called "Which?".   They yearly send out questionnaires to their
readership and in conjunction with other like magazines around Europe
test a large range of many cars that are on sale here, if you want, I
can copy their list in order of reliability.
What is most important is that they never take advertisements from
anyone so the don't have to keep anyone sweet.   Before you deny
anything regarding J.D. Power surveys, we get them too.   But they carry
adverts which are corrupting.
I used to work with someone who did tests for magazines and if the
product did not meet it's spec. Then it would be returned until one was
delivered that did.
Magazines make as much from advertising as they do from readership which
is why unlike "which?" They are biased.

And Nissan owning.   Other than that, yes I do know about electronics
though I been retired about ten years and think that things could well
have moved on since then.


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