Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on September 25, 2011, 7:49 pm
What the rule does NOT say is that "Toyota must install the
multifunction display back in every Prius in order to fulfill this rule".
Posted by News on September 25, 2011, 9:28 pm
On 9/25/2011 2:59 PM, bwilson4web wrote:
On this car.
Posted by bwilson4web on September 26, 2011, 2:46 am
A performance standard, the regulation specifies minimum visibility of
seven, child-size, cylinders located in a specific pattern relative to
the center line and rear bumper. Two cylinders are offset ~5 feet
either side of the center line about a foot behind the rear bumper.
The other five must be fully visible about 10 feet and 20 feet to the
rear. A performance standard, it does not specify a solution. However,
they looked at several, off-the-self solutions and tested their
performance including references to the standard.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on September 26, 2011, 10:51 am
It still doesn't mean that they have to put the MFD into every model now.
They can EASILY solve this another way. Many are putting the small
display where the current fuel economy display is, and Toyota will
likely just tie the camera into that when the car's in reverse.
Your "this means MFD comes back on all models" is wishful thinking.
Posted by bwilson4web on September 26, 2011, 1:54 pm
It means Toyota has to provide a backup camera and display which
Toyota has already designed and is an option in the existing Prius.
Not so easily as our ZVW30 rear view mirror is glued to the windshield
and has no power connections.
Many others manufactures have no option because they have models that
never had a designed and implemented backup camera system. But Toyota
also has an accident avoidance system and the photos show it has a
camera mounted in it, something not found in the LCD equipped
displays. In short, the after-market, LDC mirrors are a quick solution
for those who never made a backup camera system and do not have
advanced, accident avoidance systems with rear-view mirror integrated
So on one hand Toyota already has a backup camera and display. The
engineering, integration and design is done and a substantial amount
of operational experience. On the other is qualifying another supplier
of unknown quality and operational experience. It is a fair bet Toyota
won't 're-invent the wheel' or run off and buy some marginal, 3d party
part. But I have experience with a mirror mounted, backup camera.
I've already done the backup mirror with LCD display experiment with
our 2003 Prius. It mostly works except last week when the 'bluetooth'
would not connect. Then the installer put the camera mounted in the
wrong location from my request. I'll wind up taking it out and re-
mounting it at the top of the rear window and pointed downward so I
can actually see the area behind the car. I'll have to close the
existing camera mount hole but that is not a big deal.
The thread title is "Wish-list for 2012-13 Prius." You're wishing
Toyota will join the lemings but they introduced and sold the Prius
that still out performs all hybrids and competes nicely against the