Posted by Jack Brown on June 27, 2005, 5:46 pm
Forget about the used market, Has anyone started importing from China
yet? I've checked out a few web sites but don't know where to find
them. I figure they'll start coming in about 2/3 of domestic when
they start coming.
jb
Posted by Solar Guppy on June 27, 2005, 6:04 pm
Why is that ? China they can sell them for what the Market will bear , no ?
They get more per panel in Germany and or Spain , don't have to loss money
on the devalued dollar to boot.
Face it panels cost what they cost (about 4.30 watt today's price) and
nothing is happening to make this lower
The US dollar will continue to decline relative to other currency's , other
countries are increasing there demand and programs , the raw Silicon is in
Shortage for the foreseeable future.
Its not that Solar panels are expensive , it that we have become addicted to
cheap energy. Solar won't come down in price, the other forms of energy will
go up to show the true value in Solar , all of course is IHMO
> Forget about the used market, Has anyone started importing from China
> yet? I've checked out a few web sites but don't know where to find
> them. I figure they'll start coming in about 2/3 of domestic when
> they start coming.
> jb
Posted by John P Bengi on June 27, 2005, 6:42 pm
Solar panels are expensive because of the market experienced by the dealers.
No product will survive with a pyrimid marketting scheme moving it. When the
panels are sold third hand the price will drop to about half or maybe less.
It is the foreign distributors, exporters,importers, importing agents,
distributors, warehousers and dealers that consume most of the money.
Can you say "exclusive rights"?
> Why is that ? China they can sell them for what the Market will bear , no
?
> They get more per panel in Germany and or Spain , don't have to loss
money
> on the devalued dollar to boot.
> Face it panels cost what they cost (about 4.30 watt today's price) and
> nothing is happening to make this lower
> The US dollar will continue to decline relative to other currency's ,
other
> countries are increasing there demand and programs , the raw Silicon is in
> Shortage for the foreseeable future.
> Its not that Solar panels are expensive , it that we have become addicted
to
> cheap energy. Solar won't come down in price, the other forms of energy
will
> go up to show the true value in Solar , all of course is IHMO
> > Forget about the used market, Has anyone started importing from China
> > yet? I've checked out a few web sites but don't know where to find
> > them. I figure they'll start coming in about 2/3 of domestic when
> > they start coming.
> >
> > jb
Posted by brian on June 30, 2005, 6:59 am
> Why is that ? China they can sell them for what the Market will bear , no
> ?
> They get more per panel in Germany and or Spain , don't have to loss
> money on the devalued dollar to boot.
> Face it panels cost what they cost (about 4.30 watt today's price) and
> nothing is happening to make this lower
> The US dollar will continue to decline relative to other currency's ,
> other countries are increasing there demand and programs , the raw Silicon
> is in Shortage for the foreseeable future.
> Its not that Solar panels are expensive , it that we have become addicted
> to cheap energy. Solar won't come down in price, the other forms of energy
> will go up to show the true value in Solar , all of course is IHMO
>> Forget about the used market, Has anyone started importing from China
>> yet? I've checked out a few web sites but don't know where to find
>> them. I figure they'll start coming in about 2/3 of domestic when
>> they start coming.
>>
>> jb
> The China price cannot be compared to western prices production costs are
> low a fraction of say the USA. but it is in the hands of the middlemen
> that the price shoots up, and import taxes, middlemen tend to be greedy,
> and make large fortunes out of poor people, take a radio is made for
> pennies in China imported at low cost, will cost £10 to £20. I have
> imported from Hongkong, a container holds a great deal, and can cost as
> little as £1000 to ship to the west. unscruplous dealers shove up the
> prices retire in a year or two merchants.
>
Posted by R.H. Allen on June 30, 2005, 1:29 pm
brian wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Forget about the used market, Has anyone started importing from China
>>>yet? I've checked out a few web sites but don't know where to find
>>>them. I figure they'll start coming in about 2/3 of domestic when
>>>they start coming.
>>>
>>>jb
>>
>>The China price cannot be compared to western prices production costs are
>>low a fraction of say the USA.
The manufacturing cost has little to do with the retail price. The
retail price is determined by what people will pay, nothing more. If
people won't pay what you're asking, you have to reduce your price, even
if that means selling at a loss, or resign yourself to not selling
anything. Since supply so greatly lags demand in the PV industry right
now, undercutting your competition on price only cuts into your own
profits without cutting into the competition at all. It will be
important a few years from now when supply catches up with demand, but
for now if a manufacturer reduces prices it only cuts into the capital
available for plant expansion.
> yet? I've checked out a few web sites but don't know where to find
> them. I figure they'll start coming in about 2/3 of domestic when
> they start coming.
> jb