Posted by totalharmonicdistortion@hotmai on April 10, 2007, 5:11 am
Hi,
Im just curious as to how beneficial solar cells are for the planet.
How much energy is used or burnt at a coal power plant to heat the
silicon up to make these waffers? How much nitrogen is used in the
process (that is also produced and compressed using electricity).
Are we just burning more coal to make solar cells thinking we are
helping out the environment? The laws of physics still apply here and
there is no overunity. So if coal energy = solar energy (over 10
years), whats the dam difference?
Anyone got some links to some resources? I don't think im searching
correctly in google.
Thanks
Posted by Anthony Matonak on April 10, 2007, 6:27 am
totalharmonicdistortion@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
Hi,
> Im just curious as to how beneficial solar cells are for the planet.
Depends on what your criteria for "beneficial" may be. :)
Generally speaking, they're a major benefit.
> Are we just burning more coal to make solar cells thinking we are
> helping out the environment? The laws of physics still apply here and
> there is no overunity. So if coal energy = solar energy (over 10
> years), whats the dam difference?
Solar cells are estimated to generate the same amount of energy
as was used to make them in anywhere from 6 months to 6 years of
typical service. The difference comes from the different types of
solar cells. Thin film require less energy to make than a wafer.
> Anyone got some links to some resources? I don't think im searching
> correctly in google.
Try "energy payback solar PV" or similar terms.
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/37322.pdf
Anthony
Posted by Mauried on April 10, 2007, 8:18 am
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:27:48 -0700, Anthony Matonak
>totalharmonicdistortion@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>Hi,
>> Im just curious as to how beneficial solar cells are for the planet.
>Depends on what your criteria for "beneficial" may be. :)
>Generally speaking, they're a major benefit.
>> Are we just burning more coal to make solar cells thinking we are
>> helping out the environment? The laws of physics still apply here and
>> there is no overunity. So if coal energy = solar energy (over 10
>> years), whats the dam difference?
>Solar cells are estimated to generate the same amount of energy
>as was used to make them in anywhere from 6 months to 6 years of
>typical service. The difference comes from the different types of
>solar cells. Thin film require less energy to make than a wafer.
>> Anyone got some links to some resources? I don't think im searching
>> correctly in google.
>Try "energy payback solar PV" or similar terms.
>http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/37322.pdf
>Anthony
Can you cite any examples of Solar Cell manufacturing plants which
are powered in their entirety from the Solar Cells that the plant
makes.
If there is a payback time of 6 years or even 10 years, then every
Solar Cell plant in the world would be powered by the Solar Cells that
it makes.
I know of none.
Posted by totalharmonicdistortion@hotmai on April 10, 2007, 9:39 am
On Apr 10, 10:18 pm, maur...@tpg.com.au (Mauried) wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:27:48 -0700, Anthony Matonak
> >totalharmonicdistort...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >Hi,
> >> Im just curious as to how beneficial solar cells are for the planet.
> >Depends on what your criteria for "beneficial" may be. :)
> >Generally speaking, they're a major benefit.
> >> Are we just burning more coal to make solar cells thinking we ares
> >> helping out the environment? The laws of physics still apply here and
> >> there is no overunity. So if coal energy = solar energy (over 10
> >> years), whats the dam difference?
> >Solar cells are estimated to generate the same amount of energy
> >as was used to make them in anywhere from 6 months to 6 years of
> >typical service. The difference comes from the different types of
> >solar cells. Thin film require less energy to make than a wafer.
> >> Anyone got some links to some resources? I don't think im searching
> >> correctly in google.
> >Try "energy payback solar PV" or similar terms.
> >http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/37322.pdf
> >Anthony
> Can you cite any examples of Solar Cell manufacturing plants which
> are powered in their entirety from the Solar Cells that the plant
> makes.
> If there is a payback time of 6 years or even 10 years, then every
> Solar Cell plant in the world would be powered by the Solar Cells that
> it makes.
> I know of none.
What comes to mind here is how recycling is meant to help the
environment, but factor in the energy required to transport recycled
goods to factories and the energy needed to make them into new
products. Is the whole idea of solar power a big waste of time like
recycling? Im more inclined to install wind generator on my roof than
a solar panal, at least Ill get more energy that was put into making
it, not to mention a lifetime of durability.
Posted by Ken Finney on April 10, 2007, 3:24 pm
> On Apr 10, 10:18 pm, maur...@tpg.com.au (Mauried) wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:27:48 -0700, Anthony Matonak
>>
>>
>>
>> >totalharmonicdistort...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>>
>> >Hi,
>>
>> >> Im just curious as to how beneficial solar cells are for the planet.
>>
>> >Depends on what your criteria for "beneficial" may be. :)
>> >Generally speaking, they're a major benefit.
>>
>> >> Are we just burning more coal to make solar cells thinking we ares
>> >> helping out the environment? The laws of physics still apply here and
>> >> there is no overunity. So if coal energy = solar energy (over 10
>> >> years), whats the dam difference?
>>
>> >Solar cells are estimated to generate the same amount of energy
>> >as was used to make them in anywhere from 6 months to 6 years of
>> >typical service. The difference comes from the different types of
>> >solar cells. Thin film require less energy to make than a wafer.
>>
>> >> Anyone got some links to some resources? I don't think im searching
>> >> correctly in google.
>>
>> >Try "energy payback solar PV" or similar terms.
>>
>> >http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/37322.pdf
>>
>> >Anthony
>>
>> Can you cite any examples of Solar Cell manufacturing plants which
>> are powered in their entirety from the Solar Cells that the plant
>> makes.
>> If there is a payback time of 6 years or even 10 years, then every
>> Solar Cell plant in the world would be powered by the Solar Cells that
>> it makes.
>>
>> I know of none.
> What comes to mind here is how recycling is meant to help the
> environment, but factor in the energy required to transport recycled
> goods to factories and the energy needed to make them into new
> products. Is the whole idea of solar power a big waste of time like
> recycling? Im more inclined to install wind generator on my roof than
> a solar panal, at least Ill get more energy that was put into making
> it, not to mention a lifetime of durability.
If you have flowing water, it is better than wind. If you have flowing
wind, it is better than solar. Most places don't have the wind that they
appear to, you need flowing wind, not gusting or turbulent wind. Whatever
you do, don't mount the wind generator on your house, it is good way to
vibrate your house apart. Also, wind generators need maintenance a lot more
than solar panels do!
Hi,
> Im just curious as to how beneficial solar cells are for the planet.