Posted by elzool on April 30, 2004, 5:02 pm
I've been reading about pv for a while now and at my office we use pv
for our whole office. Now I'm ready, but I don't know who to call or
where to start to have someone come look at my home and start the
process.
Can anyone in the Phoenix, AZ area make any suggestions as to who to
call to get this process started and if you have dealt with them, I'd
love to hear how your situation went.
To give you some idea as to what we use per month, I've inserted the
figures from SRP(utility) and described out lifestyle a bit.
My wife, 8 month old son and my Father live in an all-electric 2900 sq
ft house in Glendale. My father moved in with us 2 years ago and
primarily watches tv all day. My wife works weekends only and is home
with our son all day long with another tv on and does wash throughout
the week and during the day as well. I work at home four to five days
a week and as such have three computers on all day long. One runs 24
hours a day, every day of the week. I do 90% of our cooking outside
on a charcoal grill or on a propane burner. With all of us there all
day long we use our AC quite a bit throughout the year. Our intent
with this project is to invest in it as we would anything and let the
payoff be long term reducing our electric bill along the way.
Currently I'm paying on the basic rate plan with SRP at .08/kWh
May-Oct and .06 for the first 400 kWh and .04 for the rest during
Nov-Apr.
Bill Read Total
Month/Year Date Total kWh # of Days Charges
Apr 2004 Apr 20 2,330 32 $137.73
Mar 2004 Mar 19 1,950 29 $118.37
Feb 2004 Feb 19 2,170 30 $129.57
Jan 2004 Jan 20 2,230 33 $132.63
Dec 2003 Dec 18 1,770 30 $109.16
Nov 2003 Nov 18 1,710 29 $106.09
Oct 2003 Oct 20 2,790 32 $256.83
Sep 2003 Sep 18 3,420 31 $312.93
Aug 2003 Aug 18 3,580 32 $327.18
Jul 2003 Jul 17 3,440 30 $314.71
Jun 2003 Jun 17 3,020 32 $277.30
May 2003 May 16 1,640 28 $154.38
Totals 30,050 368 $2,376.88
If anyone has any suggestions or comments I'd love to hear them.
-richard
Posted by rlsusenet@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp on April 30, 2004, 5:42 pm
elzool wrote:
> I've been reading about pv for a while now and at my office we use pv
> for our whole office. Now I'm ready, but I don't know who to call or
> where to start to have someone come look at my home and start the
> process.
>
> Can anyone in the Phoenix, AZ area make any suggestions as to who to
> call to get this process started and if you have dealt with them, I'd
> love to hear how your situation went.
>
> To give you some idea as to what we use per month, I've inserted the
> figures from SRP(utility) and described out lifestyle a bit.
>
> My wife, 8 month old son and my Father live in an all-electric 2900 sq
> ft house in Glendale. My father moved in with us 2 years ago and
> primarily watches tv all day. My wife works weekends only and is home
> with our son all day long with another tv on and does wash throughout
> the week and during the day as well. I work at home four to five days
> a week and as such have three computers on all day long. One runs 24
> hours a day, every day of the week. I do 90% of our cooking outside
> on a charcoal grill or on a propane burner. With all of us there all
> day long we use our AC quite a bit throughout the year. Our intent
> with this project is to invest in it as we would anything and let the
> payoff be long term reducing our electric bill along the way.
>
> Currently I'm paying on the basic rate plan with SRP at .08/kWh
> May-Oct and .06 for the first 400 kWh and .04 for the rest during
> Nov-Apr.
>
> Bill Read Total
> Month/Year Date Total kWh # of Days Charges
>
> Apr 2004 Apr 20 2,330 32 $137.73
> Mar 2004 Mar 19 1,950 29 $118.37
> Feb 2004 Feb 19 2,170 30 $129.57
> Jan 2004 Jan 20 2,230 33 $132.63
> Dec 2003 Dec 18 1,770 30 $109.16
> Nov 2003 Nov 18 1,710 29 $106.09
> Oct 2003 Oct 20 2,790 32 $256.83
> Sep 2003 Sep 18 3,420 31 $312.93
> Aug 2003 Aug 18 3,580 32 $327.18
> Jul 2003 Jul 17 3,440 30 $314.71
> Jun 2003 Jun 17 3,020 32 $277.30
> May 2003 May 16 1,640 28 $154.38
> Totals 30,050 368 $2,376.88
>
> If anyone has any suggestions or comments I'd love to hear them.
If you're looking to save money in the long run, you're probably better
off staying on the grid, unless you do some really serious conservation
(e.g., swamp coolers, assuming you have unlimited water to throw away).
Some quick numbers:
30,000 kWh per year = apx 82 kWh, on average, per day. Assuming
(generously) that you get an average of 8 full-sun hours per day, that
means you need a 10 kW system.
The generally accepted low end estimate for costing out systems
(assuming non-battery, grid-tie, self-install) is around $5/Watt. So
you're talking about a $50,000 investment.
Amortizing that over the course of 20 years, you're paying $2,500 per
year to avoid a cost of $2,400 per year -- except that you're paying all
that money up front.
Bottom line is that there's a chance you *might* break even, if:
* energy costs go up significantly (probably, a good bet)
* you install the system yourself
* your borrowing costs are minimal (a bad bet, given the
political/economic situation)
* my optimistic estimate of insolation is correct
Posted by Pom-pom-pom on April 30, 2004, 5:50 pm
> I've been reading about pv for a while now and at my office we use pv
> for our whole office. Now I'm ready, but I don't know who to call or
> where to start to have someone come look at my home and start the
> process.
> Can anyone in the Phoenix, AZ area make any suggestions as to who to
> call to get this process started and if you have dealt with them, I'd
> love to hear how your situation went.
> To give you some idea as to what we use per month, I've inserted the
> figures from SRP(utility) and described out lifestyle a bit.
> My wife, 8 month old son and my Father live in an all-electric 2900 sq
> ft house in Glendale. My father moved in with us 2 years ago and
> primarily watches tv all day. My wife works weekends only and is home
> with our son all day long with another tv on and does wash throughout
> the week and during the day as well. I work at home four to five days
> a week and as such have three computers on all day long. One runs 24
> hours a day, every day of the week. I do 90% of our cooking outside
> on a charcoal grill or on a propane burner. With all of us there all
> day long we use our AC quite a bit throughout the year. Our intent
> with this project is to invest in it as we would anything and let the
> payoff be long term reducing our electric bill along the way.
> Currently I'm paying on the basic rate plan with SRP at .08/kWh
> May-Oct and .06 for the first 400 kWh and .04 for the rest during
> Nov-Apr.
> Bill Read Total
> Month/Year Date Total kWh # of Days Charges
> Apr 2004 Apr 20 2,330 32 $137.73
> Mar 2004 Mar 19 1,950 29 $118.37
> Feb 2004 Feb 19 2,170 30 $129.57
> Jan 2004 Jan 20 2,230 33 $132.63
> Dec 2003 Dec 18 1,770 30 $109.16
> Nov 2003 Nov 18 1,710 29 $106.09
> Oct 2003 Oct 20 2,790 32 $256.83
> Sep 2003 Sep 18 3,420 31 $312.93
> Aug 2003 Aug 18 3,580 32 $327.18
> Jul 2003 Jul 17 3,440 30 $314.71
> Jun 2003 Jun 17 3,020 32 $277.30
> May 2003 May 16 1,640 28 $154.38
> Totals 30,050 368 $2,376.88
> If anyone has any suggestions or comments I'd love to hear them.
> -richard
It seems to me that you don't need PV, what you need is conservation. Cut
your kwh by 2 first, then consider alternative sources.
For instance, if your computer is on 24/7 along with the AC in summer, then
you pay once to HEAT your house (100+ watt from the computer) and you pay
TWICE to cool it. Not very smart. At least, switch off the screen to save.
Search any litterature about energy conservation, ask advice, hire a
professional... It's the first step and it pays back really fast.
Note: conservation does not mean less comfort. It only means less stupid
waste for the same result.
BTW, one person in a 50 m² flat in a building with moderate electric heating
and heavy use of one computer, I used 3,200 kwh in 2003. 1/10th of yours!
Posted by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Roland_M=F6sl?= on May 1, 2004, 3:18 am
> BTW, one person in a 50 m² flat in a building with moderate electric
heating
> and heavy use of one computer, I used 3,200 kwh in 2003. 1/10th of yours!
4 Person in a 100 m² flat in a building, but heating by gas
heavy computer use, 1807 kWh
--
Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine
Posted by Martin Riddle on April 30, 2004, 6:59 pm
At 0.08 kwh, your getting a good deal.
Try conservation. CFL's, latest high efficiency refridgeration, Open the windows
more often.
May I sugest Solar hot water, cheaper than PV's.
Cheers
> I've been reading about pv for a while now and at my office we use pv
> for our whole office. Now I'm ready, but I don't know who to call or
> where to start to have someone come look at my home and start the
> process.
> Can anyone in the Phoenix, AZ area make any suggestions as to who to
> call to get this process started and if you have dealt with them, I'd
> love to hear how your situation went.
> To give you some idea as to what we use per month, I've inserted the
> figures from SRP(utility) and described out lifestyle a bit.
> My wife, 8 month old son and my Father live in an all-electric 2900 sq
> ft house in Glendale. My father moved in with us 2 years ago and
> primarily watches tv all day. My wife works weekends only and is home
> with our son all day long with another tv on and does wash throughout
> the week and during the day as well. I work at home four to five days
> a week and as such have three computers on all day long. One runs 24
> hours a day, every day of the week. I do 90% of our cooking outside
> on a charcoal grill or on a propane burner. With all of us there all
> day long we use our AC quite a bit throughout the year. Our intent
> with this project is to invest in it as we would anything and let the
> payoff be long term reducing our electric bill along the way.
> Currently I'm paying on the basic rate plan with SRP at .08/kWh
> May-Oct and .06 for the first 400 kWh and .04 for the rest during
> Nov-Apr.
> Bill Read Total
> Month/Year Date Total kWh # of Days Charges
> Apr 2004 Apr 20 2,330 32 $137.73
> Mar 2004 Mar 19 1,950 29 $118.37
> Feb 2004 Feb 19 2,170 30 $129.57
> Jan 2004 Jan 20 2,230 33 $132.63
> Dec 2003 Dec 18 1,770 30 $109.16
> Nov 2003 Nov 18 1,710 29 $106.09
> Oct 2003 Oct 20 2,790 32 $256.83
> Sep 2003 Sep 18 3,420 31 $312.93
> Aug 2003 Aug 18 3,580 32 $327.18
> Jul 2003 Jul 17 3,440 30 $314.71
> Jun 2003 Jun 17 3,020 32 $277.30
> May 2003 May 16 1,640 28 $154.38
> Totals 30,050 368 $2,376.88
> If anyone has any suggestions or comments I'd love to hear them.
> -richard
> for our whole office. Now I'm ready, but I don't know who to call or
> where to start to have someone come look at my home and start the
> process.
>
> Can anyone in the Phoenix, AZ area make any suggestions as to who to
> call to get this process started and if you have dealt with them, I'd
> love to hear how your situation went.
>
> To give you some idea as to what we use per month, I've inserted the
> figures from SRP(utility) and described out lifestyle a bit.
>
> My wife, 8 month old son and my Father live in an all-electric 2900 sq
> ft house in Glendale. My father moved in with us 2 years ago and
> primarily watches tv all day. My wife works weekends only and is home
> with our son all day long with another tv on and does wash throughout
> the week and during the day as well. I work at home four to five days
> a week and as such have three computers on all day long. One runs 24
> hours a day, every day of the week. I do 90% of our cooking outside
> on a charcoal grill or on a propane burner. With all of us there all
> day long we use our AC quite a bit throughout the year. Our intent
> with this project is to invest in it as we would anything and let the
> payoff be long term reducing our electric bill along the way.
>
> Currently I'm paying on the basic rate plan with SRP at .08/kWh
> May-Oct and .06 for the first 400 kWh and .04 for the rest during
> Nov-Apr.
>
> Bill Read Total
> Month/Year Date Total kWh # of Days Charges
>
> Apr 2004 Apr 20 2,330 32 $137.73
> Mar 2004 Mar 19 1,950 29 $118.37
> Feb 2004 Feb 19 2,170 30 $129.57
> Jan 2004 Jan 20 2,230 33 $132.63
> Dec 2003 Dec 18 1,770 30 $109.16
> Nov 2003 Nov 18 1,710 29 $106.09
> Oct 2003 Oct 20 2,790 32 $256.83
> Sep 2003 Sep 18 3,420 31 $312.93
> Aug 2003 Aug 18 3,580 32 $327.18
> Jul 2003 Jul 17 3,440 30 $314.71
> Jun 2003 Jun 17 3,020 32 $277.30
> May 2003 May 16 1,640 28 $154.38
> Totals 30,050 368 $2,376.88
>
> If anyone has any suggestions or comments I'd love to hear them.