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Posted by Sac Dave on October 26, 2008, 3:18 pm
 
Hear is a little more information on my previous question about the cost of
Solar. This is the break down of the bid

   System size (DC KW) 6.75 (AV KW) 5.96.

   Solar panel models  Sun Power  SPR-225-BKL-U  30 panels.  30 panels

   Inverter Model Sun Power SPR 700-m one inverter

There is not a break of each item cost or labor.  The total cost is
$3,842.88 less a PG&E rebate of $0,000. Federal "estimated" tax credit of
$2,193.10 leaving a total of $0.153.90.  Then the bid states cost of AC
watts 7.22.



 Hear are some other numbers  My monthly bill is $09 paying on a yearly
average , PG&E just got approval on rate increase of 6%  because of the
power tear I'm in I will have a 9% raise in my bill. No before you think I
am a power waster I pay about like my neighbors if you are not familiar with
PG&E they are so high it's incredible. A comparable house under Smud or
Roseville power would be about $00 a month. Now as for other energy saving
ideas were looking a new AC unite original unite 1991 (my wife works for
national AC & Chiller CO. ) I can get a great deal. From earlier post a
thankless water heater. As for adding more insulation most the house is
scissor trusses so that's no to feasible. I have dual pain windows already.
Now if the housing market was up I would consider moving. Now what got me
started on the solar thing was we went on a tour of solar powered homes most
the people were getting a negative or close to monthly bill, but what was
interesting most the houses had solar for about a year the cost of their
systems about the same size were less before they had a federal 30% tax
credit. So my gut felling is they are just adding the Tax credit to the bid.



Now with there computer generated estimate I would save $30 a month at the
new rate. If I do 100% finance I would save maybe a little over $00 a
month. He is saying the payback is in 6 years, you don't have to comment on
that I think he missed the "0" after the 6.  Now they have not put a plotter
on the roof yet to get exact numbers so that might be interesting.  Once
again I'm just starting to investigate Solar it is sounding like less of an
option but it doesn't hurt to get more prices.  So anyway a little more info
Thanks Dave.





Posted by Martin Riddle on October 26, 2008, 10:18 pm
 

| Hear is a little more information on my previous question about the
cost of
| Solar. This is the break down of the bid
|
|   System size (DC KW) 6.75 (AV KW) 5.96.
|
|   Solar panel models  Sun Power  SPR-225-BKL-U  30 panels.  30 panels
|
|   Inverter Model Sun Power SPR 700-m one inverter
|
| There is not a break of each item cost or labor.  The total cost is
| $3,842.88 less a PG&E rebate of $0,000. Federal "estimated" tax
credit of
| $2,193.10 leaving a total of $0.153.90.  Then the bid states cost of
AC
| watts 7.22.
|
|
|
| Hear are some other numbers  My monthly bill is $09 paying on a
yearly
| average , PG&E just got approval on rate increase of 6%  because of
the
| power tear I'm in I will have a 9% raise in my bill. No before you
think I
| am a power waster I pay about like my neighbors if you are not
familiar with
| PG&E they are so high it's incredible. A comparable house under Smud
or
| Roseville power would be about $00 a month. Now as for other energy
saving
| ideas were looking a new AC unite original unite 1991 (my wife works
for
| national AC & Chiller CO. ) I can get a great deal. From earlier post
a
| thankless water heater. As for adding more insulation most the house
is
| scissor trusses so that's no to feasible. I have dual pain windows
already.
| Now if the housing market was up I would consider moving. Now what got
me
| started on the solar thing was we went on a tour of solar powered
homes most
| the people were getting a negative or close to monthly bill, but what
was
| interesting most the houses had solar for about a year the cost of
their
| systems about the same size were less before they had a federal 30%
tax
| credit. So my gut felling is they are just adding the Tax credit to
the bid.
|
|
|
| Now with there computer generated estimate I would save $30 a month
at the
| new rate. If I do 100% finance I would save maybe a little over $00 a
| month. He is saying the payback is in 6 years, you don't have to
comment on
| that I think he missed the "0" after the 6.  Now they have not put a
plotter
| on the roof yet to get exact numbers so that might be interesting.
Once
| again I'm just starting to investigate Solar it is sounding like less
of an
| option but it doesn't hurt to get more prices.  So anyway a little
more info
| Thanks Dave.
|
|
|
|

On average the cost of materials and labor figure out to $/watt for a
typical install.
I think the AV KW is a little high, you should figure %70-%75. But
overall it sounds about right.
Maybe a smaller system? 2-3kw would run 1/2 the price.

Here in NY we average 0.35 Kw/hr, with all the taxes, fees and
surcharges. and not one break with lower oil prices.

You might want to hold off too, as commodity prices are nose diving
right now. In 6-12 months it would be a good time to start any home
projects. Lumber prices are almost half what they were a few years ago.

Cheers



Posted by Mauried on October 27, 2008, 8:21 am
 On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:18:45 -0400, "Martin Riddle"


The problem wih bundling the entire cost of the install into a $ per
watt figure is that it doesnt tell you what the Installer is charging
per hour to do the install.
Installing Solar panels on a roof can be a simple task, that doesnt
need lots of expertise or indeed even much time.
Some of the quotes I got showed that the Installers were charging
around $00 to $000 an hour just for the labor, which is exhorbitant.
But a lot of people wont know whilst the quote is just a single price
for doing everything.
You also need to remember that the Installer will be charging you
retail price for the panels and inverter, even though hes buying them
at the wholesale price, so hes already made a profit even before doing
anything.



Posted by Eeyore on October 27, 2008, 8:48 am
 

Mauried wrote:


Well, it's a dishonest business right now.

Graham



Posted by Martin Riddle on October 28, 2008, 12:52 am
 
|
|
| Mauried wrote:
|
| > The problem wih bundling the entire cost of the install into a $ per
| > watt figure is that it doesnt tell you what the Installer is
charging
| > per hour to do the install.
| > Installing Solar panels on a roof can be a simple task, that doesnt
| > need lots of expertise or indeed even much time.
| > Some of the quotes I got showed that the Installers were charging
| > around $00 to $000 an hour just for the labor, which is
exhorbitant.
| > But a lot of people wont know whilst the quote is just a single
price
| > for doing everything.
| > You also need to remember that the Installer will be charging you
| > retail price for the panels and inverter, even though hes buying
them
| > at the wholesale price, so hes already made a profit even before
doing
| > anything.
|
| Well, it's a dishonest business right now.
|
| Graham
|

Well then I think the IT guy or Phone tech that charges $65 per cable
drop is just as dishonest.
But they still get the job, cause its a lot less than I could do it
for.
Cheers



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