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Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on August 19, 2008, 12:34 am
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:14:39 +0100, Eeyore

I've been getting >95% of my home energy from sun and wind power for
about 13 years, and my total outlay for hardware including water
heating was about $5k plus sweat equity, which totals a bit less than
$00k <snorf>. I did choose a site with good sun and wind, but so did
thousands of other off-gridders in the area. Most spent less than we
did as they tend to minimize the up-front investment by burning fuel
for space heating, water heating, and cooking, much like many
grid-connected homes. When they need to keep the costs as low as
possible then they burn fuel for refrigeration as well. As for
lighting alone, I figure 15W per person for a few hours a day. We
don't actually use that much, but let's call it 2 people times 4 hours
times 15W equals 100Wh per day. Of course, the average Usenet toad who
spends his life writing >60k posts talking about how impossibly
difficult things are in order to avoid actually *doing* something more
useful, wouldn't need much lighting at all beyond the glow of his
computer monitor. Although I look forward to reading how you need many
times as much, which should put your constant conservation advice into

If you think that 100Wh per day costs $0k to power, or that the
posters here who have home power spent an average of $00k, then
there's no need to look across the ocean to see STUPID, it's as close
as your reflection on the screen. BTW, one thing that trumpets
I-AM-STUPID is irrationally categorizing people into groups. For
example, nobody I know personally claims that all Brits are stupid
just because one glued himself to his office chair. Cripes man, you
gotta' be spending several hours per day reading most of Usenet and
whacking that keyboard. It's easily enough time to have worked a
part-time job instead. At say, 6000 posts per year, and 20 hours per
week, and assuming anyone would pay you Britain's minimum wage
(5.52GBP.31USD), that's $03,100US invested in Usenet. Some spend
less than that for a power setup with a free home included.


Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on August 19, 2008, 12:47 am
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:34:50 -0700, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:


Posted by Eeyore on August 19, 2008, 6:28 am

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

And you live in a a one room shack no doubt.

15W / person for a few hours / day. Are you NUTS ! Even though I use CFLs, I do
like to have hallways etc illuminated. Right now I'm using 70W of illumination.
And I use it for more than a 'few' hours / day.



Posted by bealiba on August 19, 2008, 6:42 am

Ask wayne to show you his numbers, all his loads, how long they are
run for and the total. All you will hear is the patter of feet
receding into the distance.

wayne copied a 24V system from a magazine. Found it did not meet his
needs and just kept adding panels until he could at least run what he
wanted during daylight hours.

He claims that his production is between 0 and 30kWh a day and he can
use all of it. Trouble is it takes the combined output of the panels
and batteries to do what he claims. The panels alone might run the
loads but the batteries provide the start up surge required. If the
panels don't have sun the batteries just might start his loads, once.
After that the inverters will read low voltage and shut down.

If you can fail a simple maths test he might show you the site he
pulled when people started to notice that the numbers he posted did
not add up.

Posted by Eeyore on August 19, 2008, 7:28 pm

bealiba@gmail.com wrote:



Ah ! I'd forgotten we were dealing with this particular nutcase.


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