Posted by Sparkz Campbell on June 4, 2005, 2:53 pm
Please look over my thoughts / Plans and feel free to
Comment and point the way showing me any thing I have over looked or
misunderstood
My master plan LOL
Is to have Solar & possible wind or Hydro later as funds permit.
I plan to install now a PV panel or two to start the ball rolling
I was looking at the 80 Watt units that might be likely to be
Around when I where to add more in years to come.
All similar in price are
Shell SQ-80, SQ-85 BP
Solar BP-380
Sharp NE-80EJE
I also would like to stay around 48"X24" or so for rack/mount fitment
The panels I have planed to mount on the ground using a uni-strut rack
Or just buy a top pole mount and or a side of pole mount later
So I could knock snow off them and keep them clean.
Buy 1 or 2 Deep Cycle 12 volt batteries from wal-mart
(Think there like 96ahr or so)
Or they also have 6Volt golf cart batteries does anyone run these on there
system?
Xantrex/Trace C40: 40A, 12/24/48V 3-stage Charge Controller
(Run at 24volt as a charge unit for now and later using it for a wind or
hydro dump)
Or what's the thoughts on the
Tri-Star #TS-45 as I understand that it also has the 12, 24, 48volt & Dump
capabilities
Is it worth the few more bucks?
Does anyone run these units? And are they Potted making repairs imposable?
Please chime in on this one as this component is really up in the air
And as for an Inverter
Ouch!
Think I can use a few old Computer USP that I have around
And run the system at 12volt for now?
Just until I can scrape the dough up for a
Used, Scratched, Dented or otherwise affordable one?
I do have 4-5 Ups units here ranging from 200va to 1000va and all just need
batteries
My AC loads would be my computers & network, perfrials (sp)
Some 10 & 11 meter radios
Possibly some EM lights when the utility feeds down
And 12 volt electric loads
Livestock fence
EM lights when the utility feeds down
Although I might run some of the transmitters 12 volt
And save the AC part of the system load
Could I run 2X12volt batteries in series at 24 Volt
Saving cable size and voltage drop.
Or run at the 12 volt config and cable for it
And tap one of the batteries at a 12 volt connection to run the few things?
I guess if necessary I could move the taps from time to time to
Balance the labor on the taxed battery
And as I have a wheelbarrow of copper buss LOL
I was going to use that for the battery connections
And mount that buss on the other wheelbarrow
of garolite (G-10) I have in sheets.
Please let me know what thoughts you may have on this system and
What PV Panels / controllers you have and if you would buy them again
knowing what you know now i.e. any regrets
Also I sure could use a pointer as to an affordable & friendly vendor
(As always I'm looking for the Everyday Low Crybaby Price LOL)
For these parts if you know of a deal out there ( Best price) on the web
please let me know Of the site or do you have something to retire please
contact me by mail
Sparkz Campbell
Hardshell, Kentucky USA
Ret. Industrial Contractor & Master Electrician,
(Active) NFPA member
Mail;
Sparkz_Campbell AT Yahoo.Com
Posted by George Ghio on June 4, 2005, 8:44 pm
Sparkz Campbell wrote:
> Please look over my thoughts / Plans and feel free to
>
> Comment and point the way showing me any thing I have over looked or
> misunderstood
Almost everything.
Having said that, I suggest you start with some concrete numbers. Then
you will have a goal to aim at. This will allow you to make choices that
lead to your final system.
It is very hard to get anywhere if you start on the wrong road. Work out
where you want to go then draw the map of how to get there.
Energy audit - then design.
George L Ghio
Solar Power Consultant
Posted by John P . Bengi on June 4, 2005, 10:28 pm
Here is a livable mistake I made with my hobby system.
I picked up a cheap inverter/grid-tie unit, 3 KW that does everything for an
unbelievable deal.
I order a few solar panels 320W, $2K and then had to get some batteries just
to make it work $400
Get it wired and then find out the unit sucks up 150W just waiting for the
real power. After the batteries get trickle charged each day there is
nothing left to actually do anything real.
The base unit is too big for my application (at that point)
Many more panels and I am doing more constructive paybacks with it now.
Plan your end size and work in steps towards it. There may be steps that do
not logically function for you that will not make you happy.
Never say never...LOL
Best of luck
> Please look over my thoughts / Plans and feel free to
> Comment and point the way showing me any thing I have over looked or
> misunderstood
> My master plan LOL
> Is to have Solar & possible wind or Hydro later as funds permit.
> I plan to install now a PV panel or two to start the ball rolling
> I was looking at the 80 Watt units that might be likely to be
> Around when I where to add more in years to come.
> All similar in price are
> Shell SQ-80, SQ-85 BP
> Solar BP-380
> Sharp NE-80EJE
> I also would like to stay around 48"X24" or so for rack/mount fitment
> The panels I have planed to mount on the ground using a uni-strut rack
> Or just buy a top pole mount and or a side of pole mount later
> So I could knock snow off them and keep them clean.
> Buy 1 or 2 Deep Cycle 12 volt batteries from wal-mart
> (Think there like 96ahr or so)
> Or they also have 6Volt golf cart batteries does anyone run these on there
> system?
> Xantrex/Trace C40: 40A, 12/24/48V 3-stage Charge Controller
> (Run at 24volt as a charge unit for now and later using it for a wind or
> hydro dump)
> Or what's the thoughts on the
> Tri-Star #TS-45 as I understand that it also has the 12, 24, 48volt & Dump
> capabilities
> Is it worth the few more bucks?
> Does anyone run these units? And are they Potted making repairs imposable?
> Please chime in on this one as this component is really up in the air
> And as for an Inverter
> Ouch!
> Think I can use a few old Computer USP that I have around
> And run the system at 12volt for now?
> Just until I can scrape the dough up for a
> Used, Scratched, Dented or otherwise affordable one?
> I do have 4-5 Ups units here ranging from 200va to 1000va and all just
need
> batteries
> My AC loads would be my computers & network, perfrials (sp)
> Some 10 & 11 meter radios
> Possibly some EM lights when the utility feeds down
> And 12 volt electric loads
> Livestock fence
> EM lights when the utility feeds down
> Although I might run some of the transmitters 12 volt
> And save the AC part of the system load
> Could I run 2X12volt batteries in series at 24 Volt
> Saving cable size and voltage drop.
> Or run at the 12 volt config and cable for it
> And tap one of the batteries at a 12 volt connection to run the few
things?
> I guess if necessary I could move the taps from time to time to
> Balance the labor on the taxed battery
> And as I have a wheelbarrow of copper buss LOL
> I was going to use that for the battery connections
> And mount that buss on the other wheelbarrow
> of garolite (G-10) I have in sheets.
> Please let me know what thoughts you may have on this system and
> What PV Panels / controllers you have and if you would buy them again
> knowing what you know now i.e. any regrets
> Also I sure could use a pointer as to an affordable & friendly vendor
> (As always I'm looking for the Everyday Low Crybaby Price LOL)
> For these parts if you know of a deal out there ( Best price) on the web
> please let me know Of the site or do you have something to retire please
> contact me by mail
> Sparkz Campbell
> Hardshell, Kentucky USA
> Ret. Industrial Contractor & Master Electrician,
> (Active) NFPA member
> Mail;
> Sparkz_Campbell AT Yahoo.Com
Posted by tat-2 on June 7, 2005, 2:26 pm
I have a C-40 on a small system designed for limited emergency backup power.
180W of panels, a 1000W inverter (started with a 400W modified signwave), 2
12V AGM batteries (no venting needed). For me this works well and serves my
needs. My power company is extremely reliable compared to what I experienced
when I lived in the NW suburbs of Chicago and about $0.10kWh delivered.
The C-40 is not potted and it is through the hole design, not surface
mounted.
I had a limited budget and space. I live in the city.
Ed
> Please look over my thoughts / Plans and feel free to
> Comment and point the way showing me any thing I have over looked or
> misunderstood
> My master plan LOL
> Is to have Solar & possible wind or Hydro later as funds permit.
> I plan to install now a PV panel or two to start the ball rolling
> I was looking at the 80 Watt units that might be likely to be
> Around when I where to add more in years to come.
> All similar in price are
> Shell SQ-80, SQ-85 BP
> Solar BP-380
> Sharp NE-80EJE
> I also would like to stay around 48"X24" or so for rack/mount fitment
> The panels I have planed to mount on the ground using a uni-strut rack
> Or just buy a top pole mount and or a side of pole mount later
> So I could knock snow off them and keep them clean.
> Buy 1 or 2 Deep Cycle 12 volt batteries from wal-mart
> (Think there like 96ahr or so)
> Or they also have 6Volt golf cart batteries does anyone run these on there
> system?
> Xantrex/Trace C40: 40A, 12/24/48V 3-stage Charge Controller
> (Run at 24volt as a charge unit for now and later using it for a wind or
> hydro dump)
> Or what's the thoughts on the
> Tri-Star #TS-45 as I understand that it also has the 12, 24, 48volt & Dump
> capabilities
> Is it worth the few more bucks?
> Does anyone run these units? And are they Potted making repairs imposable?
> Please chime in on this one as this component is really up in the air
> And as for an Inverter
> Ouch!
> Think I can use a few old Computer USP that I have around
> And run the system at 12volt for now?
> Just until I can scrape the dough up for a
> Used, Scratched, Dented or otherwise affordable one?
> I do have 4-5 Ups units here ranging from 200va to 1000va and all just
> need
> batteries
> My AC loads would be my computers & network, perfrials (sp)
> Some 10 & 11 meter radios
> Possibly some EM lights when the utility feeds down
> And 12 volt electric loads
> Livestock fence
> EM lights when the utility feeds down
> Although I might run some of the transmitters 12 volt
> And save the AC part of the system load
> Could I run 2X12volt batteries in series at 24 Volt
> Saving cable size and voltage drop.
> Or run at the 12 volt config and cable for it
> And tap one of the batteries at a 12 volt connection to run the few
> things?
> I guess if necessary I could move the taps from time to time to
> Balance the labor on the taxed battery
> And as I have a wheelbarrow of copper buss LOL
> I was going to use that for the battery connections
> And mount that buss on the other wheelbarrow
> of garolite (G-10) I have in sheets.
> Please let me know what thoughts you may have on this system and
> What PV Panels / controllers you have and if you would buy them again
> knowing what you know now i.e. any regrets
> Also I sure could use a pointer as to an affordable & friendly vendor
> (As always I'm looking for the Everyday Low Crybaby Price LOL)
> For these parts if you know of a deal out there ( Best price) on the web
> please let me know Of the site or do you have something to retire please
> contact me by mail
> Sparkz Campbell
> Hardshell, Kentucky USA
> Ret. Industrial Contractor & Master Electrician,
> (Active) NFPA member
> Mail;
> Sparkz_Campbell AT Yahoo.Com
>
>
> Comment and point the way showing me any thing I have over looked or
> misunderstood