Posted by N7RX on January 16, 2004, 11:50 pm
I tried to run a couple of Taco 005 circulator pumps from a 12 VDC battery
and a dime-store (e.g., Walmart) inverter and couldn't do it - the pumps
hummed or buzzed or something but never seemed to run as smoothly as they
do when plugged into the house's AC system. The pumps are 1/25th HP with a
.5 amp rating and I would have thought that they'd run fine on the inverter.
I tried two different invertors, both of which work fine otherwise and also
tried
running one pump at a time. The invertors are rated at 400 and 700 watts.
What's going wrong and how can I fix it? The objective is to be able to run
the pumps from lead-acid batteries as part of a wind/solar powered system.
Are the inverters that are usually spec'd for solar systems, like
Xantrex/Trace, able to run motors?
Posted by George Ghio on January 17, 2004, 3:29 am
> I tried to run a couple of Taco 005 circulator pumps from a 12 VDC battery
> and a dime-store (e.g., Walmart) inverter and couldn't do it - the pumps
> hummed or buzzed or something but never seemed to run as smoothly as they
> do when plugged into the house's AC system. The pumps are 1/25th HP with a
> .5 amp rating and I would have thought that they'd run fine on the inverter.
> I tried two different invertors, both of which work fine otherwise and also
> tried
> running one pump at a time. The invertors are rated at 400 and 700 watts.
>
> What's going wrong and how can I fix it? The objective is to be able to run
> the pumps from lead-acid batteries as part of a wind/solar powered system.
> Are the inverters that are usually spec'd for solar systems, like
> Xantrex/Trace, able to run motors?
>
>
Most likely not enough surge capacity to start a pump.
Did you try the pump dry. Pumps start underload.
Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on January 17, 2004, 7:04 am
>I tried to run a couple of Taco 005 circulator pumps from a 12 VDC battery
>and a dime-store (e.g., Walmart) inverter and couldn't do it - the pumps
>hummed or buzzed or something but never seemed to run as smoothly as they
>do when plugged into the house's AC system. The pumps are 1/25th HP with a
>.5 amp rating and I would have thought that they'd run fine on the inverter.
>I tried two different invertors, both of which work fine otherwise and also
>tried
>running one pump at a time. The invertors are rated at 400 and 700 watts.
>What's going wrong and how can I fix it? The objective is to be able to run
>the pumps from lead-acid batteries as part of a wind/solar powered system.
>Are the inverters that are usually spec'd for solar systems, like
>Xantrex/Trace, able to run motors?
I believe those motors do not like the square wave output from the
inexpensive inverters. They will run, but will be less efficient (and run
hotter). I do not know if this will harm them in the long run.
We have a forced hot water heating system and, I think, five of those
circulating pumps. They all seem to run smoothly powered from my SW5548's,
which has a "pseudo-sine-wave" output.
-- ron (off the grid in Downeast Maine)
Posted by ptaylor on January 17, 2004, 11:43 am
Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
>
>
>>I tried to run a couple of Taco 005 circulator pumps from a 12 VDC battery
>>and a dime-store (e.g., Walmart) inverter and couldn't do it - the pumps
>>hummed or buzzed or something but never seemed to run as smoothly as they
>>do when plugged into the house's AC system. The pumps are 1/25th HP with a
>>.5 amp rating and I would have thought that they'd run fine on the inverter.
>>I tried two different invertors, both of which work fine otherwise and also
>>tried
>>running one pump at a time. The invertors are rated at 400 and 700 watts.
>>
>>What's going wrong and how can I fix it? The objective is to be able to run
>>the pumps from lead-acid batteries as part of a wind/solar powered system.
>>Are the inverters that are usually spec'd for solar systems, like
>>Xantrex/Trace, able to run motors?
>>
>
>
> I believe those motors do not like the square wave output from the
> inexpensive inverters. They will run, but will be less efficient (and run
> hotter). I do not know if this will harm them in the long run.
>
> We have a forced hot water heating system and, I think, five of those
> circulating pumps. They all seem to run smoothly powered from my SW5548's,
> which has a "pseudo-sine-wave" output.
>
>
> -- ron (off the grid in Downeast Maine)
I ran my Dremel tool off of my cheap 300W inverter once,it worked
alright,but it was making noises like the bearings were going out,and
coming loose inside the case! grinding/buzzing/rattling noises..
It still works just dandy on mains power,and I don't intend to try it
again on any square wave inverters!
Motors really don't like the harmonic prone square wave inverters..
Posted by N7RX on January 17, 2004, 12:28 pm
Actually, the inverters purportedly are modified sine-wave (aka modified
square wave).
> Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I tried to run a couple of Taco 005 circulator pumps from a 12 VDC
battery
> >>and a dime-store (e.g., Walmart) inverter and couldn't do it - the pumps
> >>hummed or buzzed or something but never seemed to run as smoothly as
they
> >>do when plugged into the house's AC system. The pumps are 1/25th HP with
a
> >>.5 amp rating and I would have thought that they'd run fine on the
inverter.
> >>I tried two different invertors, both of which work fine otherwise and
also
> >>tried
> >>running one pump at a time. The invertors are rated at 400 and 700
watts.
> >>
> >>What's going wrong and how can I fix it? The objective is to be able to
run
> >>the pumps from lead-acid batteries as part of a wind/solar powered
system.
> >>Are the inverters that are usually spec'd for solar systems, like
> >>Xantrex/Trace, able to run motors?
> >>
> >
> >
> > I believe those motors do not like the square wave output from the
> > inexpensive inverters. They will run, but will be less efficient (and
run
> > hotter). I do not know if this will harm them in the long run.
> >
> > We have a forced hot water heating system and, I think, five of those
> > circulating pumps. They all seem to run smoothly powered from my
SW5548's,
> > which has a "pseudo-sine-wave" output.
> >
> >
> > -- ron (off the grid in Downeast Maine)
> I ran my Dremel tool off of my cheap 300W inverter once,it worked
> alright,but it was making noises like the bearings were going out,and
> coming loose inside the case! grinding/buzzing/rattling noises..
> It still works just dandy on mains power,and I don't intend to try it
> again on any square wave inverters!
> Motors really don't like the harmonic prone square wave inverters..
> and a dime-store (e.g., Walmart) inverter and couldn't do it - the pumps
> hummed or buzzed or something but never seemed to run as smoothly as they
> do when plugged into the house's AC system. The pumps are 1/25th HP with a
> .5 amp rating and I would have thought that they'd run fine on the inverter.
> I tried two different invertors, both of which work fine otherwise and also
> tried
> running one pump at a time. The invertors are rated at 400 and 700 watts.
>
> What's going wrong and how can I fix it? The objective is to be able to run
> the pumps from lead-acid batteries as part of a wind/solar powered system.
> Are the inverters that are usually spec'd for solar systems, like
> Xantrex/Trace, able to run motors?
>
>