Posted by offgridman@cs.com on December 7, 2003, 1:41 pm
I have a CC120 Heliotrope charge controller set at State of Charge (SOC)
set point of 14.7 by the dip switchs. I have limited documentation on
this controller and while it has performed flawless for the past couple
of years, I have gotten a new battery bank (ten T605 Trojans, yeilding
950 AmpHrs at 12 volts) and I am worried that I might need to buy a new
controller that has the bulk and float setpoints that Trojan suggests.
My system presently charges with 27 amps of solar panels but I have
another 20 amps of panels I will install soon. My system spends a lot of
time fully charged since I usually only visit the cabin on the weekends.
Since I will now be up to the C20 charge rate when I add the other
panels I am concerned about over charging.
1. Since I am not sure how the CC120 works should I reduce the SOC
setting down to the 13.6?
2. Should I sell the controller and buy a modern unit?
Thanks
Offgridman
Posted by Solar Guppy on December 7, 2003, 5:06 pm
If you want your battery bank to last more than 2-3 years ... you'll need a
better controller.
Lowering your float to 13.6 volts will just kill the batteries faster since
they will never get fully charged
The Outback MX60 is best choice out there , about 500.00 with mppt and 60
amps current handling. The old Xantrex C40/C60's are allot less features but
only run 130.00 and up but are 3 stage controllers and will be way better
than what you now have. Consider the investment in batteries and solar
panels , getting a good mppt charger seems obvious.
> I have a CC120 Heliotrope charge controller set at State of Charge (SOC)
> set point of 14.7 by the dip switchs. I have limited documentation on
> this controller and while it has performed flawless for the past couple
> of years, I have gotten a new battery bank (ten T605 Trojans, yeilding
> 950 AmpHrs at 12 volts) and I am worried that I might need to buy a new
> controller that has the bulk and float setpoints that Trojan suggests.
> My system presently charges with 27 amps of solar panels but I have
> another 20 amps of panels I will install soon. My system spends a lot of
> time fully charged since I usually only visit the cabin on the weekends.
> Since I will now be up to the C20 charge rate when I add the other
> panels I am concerned about over charging.
> 1. Since I am not sure how the CC120 works should I reduce the SOC
> setting down to the 13.6?
> 2. Should I sell the controller and buy a modern unit?
> Thanks
> Offgridman
Posted by offgridman@cs.com on December 8, 2003, 1:46 pm
Thanks for the feedback. What do you think about the 60 amp tri-star
from Morningstar? Seems a 60 amp charge controller can be had for $199
with temperature sensor. I have sworn off Xantre / Trace because of
their manipulation of the market by telling dealers they cannot list
prices on the web, and because they have lousy customer service.
The Mppt is a little pricey for my budget.
Thanks again
Offgridman
Solar Guppy wrote:
> If you want your battery bank to last more than 2-3 years ... you'll need a
> better controller.
>
> Lowering your float to 13.6 volts will just kill the batteries faster since
> they will never get fully charged
>
> The Outback MX60 is best choice out there , about 500.00 with mppt and 60
> amps current handling. The old Xantrex C40/C60's are allot less features but
> only run 130.00 and up but are 3 stage controllers and will be way better
> than what you now have. Consider the investment in batteries and solar
> panels , getting a good mppt charger seems obvious.
>
>
>>I have a CC120 Heliotrope charge controller set at State of Charge (SOC)
>>set point of 14.7 by the dip switchs. I have limited documentation on
>>this controller and while it has performed flawless for the past couple
>>of years, I have gotten a new battery bank (ten T605 Trojans, yeilding
>>950 AmpHrs at 12 volts) and I am worried that I might need to buy a new
>>controller that has the bulk and float setpoints that Trojan suggests.
>>
>> My system presently charges with 27 amps of solar panels but I have
>>another 20 amps of panels I will install soon. My system spends a lot of
>>time fully charged since I usually only visit the cabin on the weekends.
>>
>>Since I will now be up to the C20 charge rate when I add the other
>>panels I am concerned about over charging.
>>
>>1. Since I am not sure how the CC120 works should I reduce the SOC
>>setting down to the 13.6?
>>
>>2. Should I sell the controller and buy a modern unit?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Offgridman
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Posted by Solar Guppy on December 8, 2003, 3:31 pm
Huh ? , many sites list the non-list price on the Xantrex products
For example , list price on C60 is 199.00
http://shop.altenergystore.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId 61636-EVEREST-5ERPIV50&
ic=XANC60&cc=&tpc=
on the C60 , for $161.00
http://www.aaaffordablesolar.com/487.html
on the C60, for 155.00
http://www.sunelec.com/Distributors_/Wind-Regulartors/controllwind-regularto
rs.html
on the C60 , for 155.00
(I can personal vouch for the sunelec people as I just bought both there
Photowatt 155 panels for 2.50 watt and there BP MSP49L's for 1.50 watt. I
drove down to Maimi and picked up from there store)
As for crappy service , what do you judge this on ? I personally know the
engineering and support staff for this product and they try very hard to be
responsive to customer questions/issues. Selling products in this market
(RE) is a tough business , low volumes , lots of competition make it almost
impossible to make a sustainable business on.
If you want field proven , reliable product, there are literally 10's of
thousands of these controllers in the field working well. I know nothing
about Morningstar products except from reading there ad's and there was a
tech support person monitoring the www.solar-guppy.com discussion board when
I started it last year.
I think the Outback is the best feature controller , I think the Xantrex C
series is the best value and there are at least 3 other companies that I
have no personal feedback on in between.
It's your money , but I would go with what is proven , since regardless of
anyone's opinion on the company , it's the product and how it performs that
matters in the end.
> Thanks for the feedback. What do you think about the 60 amp tri-star
> from Morningstar? Seems a 60 amp charge controller can be had for $199
> with temperature sensor. I have sworn off Xantre / Trace because of
> their manipulation of the market by telling dealers they cannot list
> prices on the web, and because they have lousy customer service.
> The Mppt is a little pricey for my budget.
> Thanks again
> Offgridman
> Solar Guppy wrote:
> > If you want your battery bank to last more than 2-3 years ... you'll
need a
> > better controller.
> >
> > Lowering your float to 13.6 volts will just kill the batteries faster
since
> > they will never get fully charged
> >
> > The Outback MX60 is best choice out there , about 500.00 with mppt and
60
> > amps current handling. The old Xantrex C40/C60's are allot less features
but
> > only run 130.00 and up but are 3 stage controllers and will be way
better
> > than what you now have. Consider the investment in batteries and solar
> > panels , getting a good mppt charger seems obvious.
> >
> >
> >>I have a CC120 Heliotrope charge controller set at State of Charge (SOC)
> >>set point of 14.7 by the dip switchs. I have limited documentation on
> >>this controller and while it has performed flawless for the past couple
> >>of years, I have gotten a new battery bank (ten T605 Trojans, yeilding
> >>950 AmpHrs at 12 volts) and I am worried that I might need to buy a new
> >>controller that has the bulk and float setpoints that Trojan suggests.
> >>
> >> My system presently charges with 27 amps of solar panels but I have
> >>another 20 amps of panels I will install soon. My system spends a lot of
> >>time fully charged since I usually only visit the cabin on the weekends.
> >>
> >>Since I will now be up to the C20 charge rate when I add the other
> >>panels I am concerned about over charging.
> >>
> >>1. Since I am not sure how the CC120 works should I reduce the SOC
> >>setting down to the 13.6?
> >>
> >>2. Should I sell the controller and buy a modern unit?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>Offgridman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
Posted by Offgridman on December 9, 2003, 5:46 am
> Huh ? , many sites list the non-list price on the Xantrex products
>
> Its not what people do now that hacks me off. It was Xantrex/Trace strong
arming dealers that I remember.
> As for crappy service , what do you judge this on ?
I judge this from my experience with them not answering my emails, not
returning my telephone calls. I have a couple of tiger inverters that
I have had for a while and got ZERO support from them when I needed
it.
I personally know the
> engineering and support staff for this product and they try very hard to be
> responsive to customer questions/issues.
Maybe because they know you they respond, not to me.
Like I said earlier I tried several times to get support from them and
got nothing.
Selling products in this market
> (RE) is a tough business , low volumes , lots of competition make it almost
> impossible to make a sustainable business on.
>
> If you want field proven , reliable product, there are literally 10's of
> thousands of these controllers in the field working well.
I know I have a C12 it works well. but I won't give them a dime more
of my money until they improve customer support.
I know nothing
> about Morningstar products except from reading there ad's and there was a
> tech support person monitoring the www.solar-guppy.com discussion board when
> I started it last year.
>
> I think the Outback is the best feature controller , I think the Xantrex C
> series is the best value and there are at least 3 other companies that I
> have no personal feedback on in between.
>
> It's your money , but I would go with what is proven , since regardless of
> anyone's opinion on the company , it's the product and how it performs that
> matters in the end.
I agree
Did you ever notice how many remanufactured Xantrex products are on
the market?
Seems like a lot.
>
>
> > Thanks for the feedback. What do you think about the 60 amp tri-star
> > from Morningstar? Seems a 60 amp charge controller can be had for $199
> > with temperature sensor. I have sworn off Xantre / Trace because of
> > their manipulation of the market by telling dealers they cannot list
> > prices on the web, and because they have lousy customer service.
> > The Mppt is a little pricey for my budget.
> > Thanks again
> > Offgridman
> >
> > Solar Guppy wrote:
> >
> > > If you want your battery bank to last more than 2-3 years ... you'll
> need a
> > > better controller.
> > >
> > > Lowering your float to 13.6 volts will just kill the batteries faster
> since
> > > they will never get fully charged
> > >
> > > The Outback MX60 is best choice out there , about 500.00 with mppt and
> 60
> > > amps current handling. The old Xantrex C40/C60's are allot less features
> but
> > > only run 130.00 and up but are 3 stage controllers and will be way
> better
> > > than what you now have. Consider the investment in batteries and solar
> > > panels , getting a good mppt charger seems obvious.
> > >
> > >
> > >>I have a CC120 Heliotrope charge controller set at State of Charge (SOC)
> > >>set point of 14.7 by the dip switchs. I have limited documentation on
> > >>this controller and while it has performed flawless for the past couple
> > >>of years, I have gotten a new battery bank (ten T605 Trojans, yeilding
> > >>950 AmpHrs at 12 volts) and I am worried that I might need to buy a new
> > >>controller that has the bulk and float setpoints that Trojan suggests.
> > >>
> > >> My system presently charges with 27 amps of solar panels but I have
> > >>another 20 amps of panels I will install soon. My system spends a lot of
> > >>time fully charged since I usually only visit the cabin on the weekends.
> > >>
> > >>Since I will now be up to the C20 charge rate when I add the other
> > >>panels I am concerned about over charging.
> > >>
> > >>1. Since I am not sure how the CC120 works should I reduce the SOC
> > >>setting down to the 13.6?
> > >>
> > >>2. Should I sell the controller and buy a modern unit?
> > >>
> > >>Thanks
> > >>Offgridman
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> set point of 14.7 by the dip switchs. I have limited documentation on
> this controller and while it has performed flawless for the past couple
> of years, I have gotten a new battery bank (ten T605 Trojans, yeilding
> 950 AmpHrs at 12 volts) and I am worried that I might need to buy a new
> controller that has the bulk and float setpoints that Trojan suggests.
> My system presently charges with 27 amps of solar panels but I have
> another 20 amps of panels I will install soon. My system spends a lot of
> time fully charged since I usually only visit the cabin on the weekends.
> Since I will now be up to the C20 charge rate when I add the other
> panels I am concerned about over charging.
> 1. Since I am not sure how the CC120 works should I reduce the SOC
> setting down to the 13.6?
> 2. Should I sell the controller and buy a modern unit?
> Thanks
> Offgridman