Posted by Gymmie Bob on February 12, 2005, 2:10 am
I doubt they can control what you plug in as an appliance. If it is UL or
CSA approval they need get very large wall warts and backfeed them...LOL
It may take a few though.
> FAQmeister wrote:
> > I've seen solar panels that contain everything you need to plug them
> > directly into a wall socket and start saving some money, but I can't
> > find them now.
> >
> > Anyone?
> Here in California, grid tied inverters have to be meet strict UL
> specifications (1741 I think). These specs don't specifically outlaw
> such devices but I'm told that for the small inverters that would bolt
> on to individual panels, it's not worth it for the manufacturers.
> That is, it costs more to get them certified than they'll ever get
> back in profits.
> Anthony
Posted by Anthony Matonak on February 12, 2005, 10:45 am
I doubt you can simply take a 12V wall wart and feed 12V back into it
and expect it to place this energy back on the grid. I think you're
more likely to release the magic smoke this way.
But, what do I know? I'm no expert. Give it a try GB and tell us how
well it works. :)
Anthony
Gymmie Bob wrote:
> I doubt they can control what you plug in as an appliance. If it is UL or
> CSA approval they need get very large wall warts and backfeed them...LOL
>
> It may take a few though.
>
>
>>FAQmeister wrote:
>>
>>>I've seen solar panels that contain everything you need to plug them
>>>directly into a wall socket and start saving some money, but I can't
>>>find them now.
>>>
>>>Anyone?
>>
>>Here in California, grid tied inverters have to be meet strict UL
>>specifications (1741 I think). These specs don't specifically outlaw
>>such devices but I'm told that for the small inverters that would bolt
>>on to individual panels, it's not worth it for the manufacturers.
>>That is, it costs more to get them certified than they'll ever get
>>back in profits.
>>
>>Anthony
Posted by Gymmie Bob on February 12, 2005, 3:43 pm
My two kVA wall wart should do just fine...LOL
Who said anything about 12V? As long as it's UL, ULc, CSA or whoever else
profits from this junk now, it should be fine.
Where is your creativity?...LOL
> I doubt you can simply take a 12V wall wart and feed 12V back into it
> and expect it to place this energy back on the grid. I think you're
> more likely to release the magic smoke this way.
> But, what do I know? I'm no expert. Give it a try GB and tell us how
> well it works. :)
> Anthony
> Gymmie Bob wrote:
> > I doubt they can control what you plug in as an appliance. If it is UL
or
> > CSA approval they need get very large wall warts and backfeed them...LOL
> >
> > It may take a few though.
> >
> >
> >>FAQmeister wrote:
> >>
> >>>I've seen solar panels that contain everything you need to plug them
> >>>directly into a wall socket and start saving some money, but I can't
> >>>find them now.
> >>>
> >>>Anyone?
> >>
> >>Here in California, grid tied inverters have to be meet strict UL
> >>specifications (1741 I think). These specs don't specifically outlaw
> >>such devices but I'm told that for the small inverters that would bolt
> >>on to individual panels, it's not worth it for the manufacturers.
> >>That is, it costs more to get them certified than they'll ever get
> >>back in profits.
> >>
> >>Anthony
Posted by rlsusenet@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp on February 13, 2005, 12:11 am
Gymmie Bob wrote:
> My two kVA wall wart should do just fine...LOL
>
> Who said anything about 12V? As long as it's UL, ULc, CSA or whoever else
> profits from this junk now, it should be fine.
>
> Where is your creativity?...LOL
So long as everyone understands that you're kidding, it's okay. There
are some less sophisticated readers of this newsgroup who don't
understand that in electronics, things aren't always as reversible as
they are in mechanics. A radio receiver, for instance, doesn't become a
transmitter simply by shouting into the speaker!
And while some electric motors become generators (or alternators) if you
spin their shafts, an AC to DC power supply will absolutely *NOT* turn
DC input to AC output!
>
>>I doubt you can simply take a 12V wall wart and feed 12V back into it
>>and expect it to place this energy back on the grid. I think you're
>>more likely to release the magic smoke this way.
>>
>>But, what do I know? I'm no expert. Give it a try GB and tell us how
>>well it works. :)
>>
>>Anthony
>>
>>Gymmie Bob wrote:
>>
>>>I doubt they can control what you plug in as an appliance. If it is UL
>
> or
>
>>>CSA approval they need get very large wall warts and backfeed them...LOL
>>>
>>>It may take a few though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>FAQmeister wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've seen solar panels that contain everything you need to plug them
>>>>>directly into a wall socket and start saving some money, but I can't
>>>>>find them now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>
>>>>Here in California, grid tied inverters have to be meet strict UL
>>>>specifications (1741 I think). These specs don't specifically outlaw
>>>>such devices but I'm told that for the small inverters that would bolt
>>>>on to individual panels, it's not worth it for the manufacturers.
>>>>That is, it costs more to get them certified than they'll ever get
>>>>back in profits.
>>>>
>>>>Anthony
>
>
>
Posted by Gymmie Bob on February 13, 2005, 7:11 am
Well I was kidding to a point to make a point. These people don't know a
volt from an ampere and they have home solar systems running?
> Gymmie Bob wrote:
> > My two kVA wall wart should do just fine...LOL
> >
> > Who said anything about 12V? As long as it's UL, ULc, CSA or whoever
else
> > profits from this junk now, it should be fine.
> >
> > Where is your creativity?...LOL
> So long as everyone understands that you're kidding, it's okay. There
> are some less sophisticated readers of this newsgroup who don't
> understand that in electronics, things aren't always as reversible as
> they are in mechanics. A radio receiver, for instance, doesn't become a
> transmitter simply by shouting into the speaker!
> And while some electric motors become generators (or alternators) if you
> spin their shafts, an AC to DC power supply will absolutely *NOT* turn
> DC input to AC output!
> >
> >>I doubt you can simply take a 12V wall wart and feed 12V back into it
> >>and expect it to place this energy back on the grid. I think you're
> >>more likely to release the magic smoke this way.
> >>
> >>But, what do I know? I'm no expert. Give it a try GB and tell us how
> >>well it works. :)
> >>
> >>Anthony
> >>
> >>Gymmie Bob wrote:
> >>
> >>>I doubt they can control what you plug in as an appliance. If it is UL
> >
> > or
> >
> >>>CSA approval they need get very large wall warts and backfeed
them...LOL
> >>>
> >>>It may take a few though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>FAQmeister wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I've seen solar panels that contain everything you need to plug them
> >>>>>directly into a wall socket and start saving some money, but I can't
> >>>>>find them now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Anyone?
> >>>>
> >>>>Here in California, grid tied inverters have to be meet strict UL
> >>>>specifications (1741 I think). These specs don't specifically outlaw
> >>>>such devices but I'm told that for the small inverters that would bolt
> >>>>on to individual panels, it's not worth it for the manufacturers.
> >>>>That is, it costs more to get them certified than they'll ever get
> >>>>back in profits.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anthony
> >
> >
> >
> > I've seen solar panels that contain everything you need to plug them
> > directly into a wall socket and start saving some money, but I can't
> > find them now.
> >
> > Anyone?
> Here in California, grid tied inverters have to be meet strict UL
> specifications (1741 I think). These specs don't specifically outlaw
> such devices but I'm told that for the small inverters that would bolt
> on to individual panels, it's not worth it for the manufacturers.
> That is, it costs more to get them certified than they'll ever get
> back in profits.
> Anthony