Posted by Rarpy on February 9, 2007, 11:26 pm
Hi all,
I've seen it claimed that you can get H2 out of water
from relatively low energy input e.g. 15 watts. For instance here:
http://www.ecosustainablevillage.com/us_patents.htm
and it was also claimed by Stan Meyer and D. Dingel --
both oddly enough now deceased.
So my question is, has anyone tried hooking up
such an H2 source to a simple internal combustion
engine e.g. from a gas-powered scooter, to see
if it might be practical to use H2 as a fuel source?
I mean, patents on this go back to the 1930's, so surely
somebody has done more than build prototypes and
apply for patents on this right?
Thanks.
Posted by Eeyore on February 10, 2007, 12:45 am
Rarpy wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've seen it claimed that you can get H2 out of water from relatively low
> energy input e.g. 15 watts.
Sure, you get relatively low amounts of hydrogen that way !
> For instance here:
> http://www.ecosustainablevillage.com/us_patents.htm
" their authenticity has not been verified "
> and it was also claimed by Stan Meyer and D. Dingel --
> both oddly enough now deceased.
Death does that to you ! Meyer was a convicted fraudster btw.
" Meyer's claims about the Water Fuel Cell and the car that it powered were
found to be fraudulent by a Ohio court in 1996. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
> So my question is, has anyone tried hooking up such an H2 source to a simple
> internal combustion engine e.g. from a gas-powered scooter, to see if it might
> be practical to use H2 as a fuel source?
> I mean, patents on this go back to the 1930's, so surely somebody has done
> more than build prototypes and apply for patents on this right?
Lots of ppl have and not single commercial vehicle has resulted in all that
time.
Perhaps that tells you something ?
Hydrogen is very expensive and a bitch to store / transport too. As manufactured
currently it uses fossils fuels so has no benefits over liquid hydrocarbon fuels
that are readily available, cheap and easy to store.
Graham
Posted by Rarpy on February 10, 2007, 8:37 am
> Sure, you get relatively low amounts of hydrogen that way !
Why? After all, very little energy is needed to cause petroleum to
burn.
The issue is how much energy H2O has in it.
>Meyer was a convicted fraudster btw.
ExxonMobil isn't?
> " Meyer's claims about the Water Fuel Cell and the car that it powered were
> found to be fraudulent by a Ohio court in 1996.
I tried finding the article about this at The Times but
it seems to be missing. How do I know the Wiki
page and Usenet post aren't part of a disinformation
campaign by Exxon or other criminal companies?
> Lots of ppl have and not single commercial vehicle has resulted in all that
> time.
> Perhaps that tells you something ?
They also keep dying, which perhaps means something too.
Posted by Eeyore on February 10, 2007, 8:53 am
Rarpy wrote:
> > Sure, you get relatively low amounts of hydrogen that way !
> Why?
Because that's the way electrolysis works !
> After all, very little energy is needed to cause petroleum to burn.
Irrelevant.
> The issue is how much energy H2O has in it.
None. You can't burn water. It puts fires out don't you know ?
Graham
Posted by Eeyore on February 10, 2007, 8:54 am
Rarpy wrote:
> How do I know the Wiki page and Usenet post aren't part of a disinformation
> campaign by Exxon or other criminal companies?
How do I know you're not a fatheaded idiot ?
> > Lots of ppl have and not single commercial vehicle has resulted in all that
> > time.
> > Perhaps that tells you something ?
> They also keep dying, which perhaps means something too.
Meyer died of natural causes you moron.
Graham
> I've seen it claimed that you can get H2 out of water from relatively low
> energy input e.g. 15 watts.