Hybrid Car – More Fun with Less Gas

A reminder to our Australian brethren

register ::  Login Password  :: Lost Password?
Posted by J. Clarke on January 28, 2008, 5:00 pm
Having just had some Australian newbie go off on me for suggesting
that everyone doesn't have the option of building his own solar house,
and bearing in mind that there is a significant Australian presence
here, I think a reminder is in order.

Australians are very fortunate people in terms of land availability
and climate.

The New York metropolitan area has a population about the same as the
whole of Australia, in approximately 1/1000 the area.  Half of that
population lives in an area of 785 square kilometers.

New York is not the largest city in the world, and its population
density is not even the highest in the United States.

Also consider that the average July minimum temperature Hobart is
4.5C, while the average January minimum in NYC is -5C, and has on
several occasions gone below the -9.4C that is the lowest temperature
ever recorded anywhere in Australia.

Then consider that there are several other cities in North America
with similar population densities--Chicago for example has half the
population of Australia in about 5000 square kilometers--and even
colder, again Chicago has an average January low of -8C.  But that's
balmy compared Yakutsk, where the January average _high_ is
about -40C.  And then there is Norilsk, which is slightly warmer than
Yakutsk, but they have six weeks in the coldest part of the year in
which there is no sunlight at all.  Fat lot of good solar heat is
going to do _there_.

And then consider that New York is only the 90th most densely
populated city--Mumbai, India has approximately the same population as
the whole of Australia living in an area of about 400 square
kilometers.  Do you really think that building your own solar house is
a viable option for people living there?

While you, personally, may have no trouble finding a cheap piece of
land with a good southern exposure and building something on it that
can cope with the relatively mild conditions that you experience,
consider that you, as a group, represent about a third of a percent of
the world population, and that the rest of the world may not be quite
as blessed as you are in terms of land availability and mildness of
climate.  When you start to assert that "everybody" can do something,
consider those 20 million in Mumbai, or the 200,000 or so in Norilsk.

to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on January 28, 2008, 8:48 pm
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:00:54 -0500, "J. Clarke"

Let me guess. 1. It was a guy who has a "solar" house that's 99%
powered by fuel burning (propane, gasoline and wood), is limited to 1
(one) kWh per day of solar electricity, requires a generator for any
load over a few hundred watts, and even after 20 years is still
burning fuel to heat water instead of using the simplest of solar
tech.  2. He neglected to mention any of the preceding, or that he's
the subject of two web sites parodying his wisdumb
http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm  and celebrating his
nuttiness http://www.lowexpecations.com/ . If that's the guy, then it's
relatively easy to modify any home to be equally "solar".  But few in
the developed world would want to live with those limitations.
<clikitty clack clikity clik clak>  What's that sound? It's the typing
of a messertation soon to be belched, explaining how anybody who can't
live on 1 kWh per day and *like* it, or who isn't interested in making
generator use a routine part of household chores, doesn't understand
deezine, must be a lazy American, yada yada.


Posted by J. Clarke on January 28, 2008, 9:37 pm
 wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

Might have been him.  He's in the killfile now.

to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Posted by bealiba on January 28, 2008, 10:05 pm
That "Newbie" has, in fact, been posting here for more than ten years.
He also grew up in America.

You watch too much TV, it is becoming very hard for an average aussie
to afford land.

So what.

Again,so what

Wow, you learn something new every day.

And the point is?

A very large part of the population in Mumbai have built their own

Ignorance is a wonderful thing, and you seem to be blessed with an
inordinate amount.

First of all, for the use of solar, a good southern exposure means zip
in OZ. Australia is not a small country next to Germany.

Second, Australia is the driest continent on the face of the earth.
Aside from the coastal fringe, Australia is a hard country.

When it comes to migrants coming to live here, yanks have the highest
return rate, that is they give up and return to the US. More than 60%.

After ten years of drought it sure is nice of you to point out what a
mild climate we have here.

Now lets get down to business, you don't live in Mumbai nor do you
live in Norilsk. You live in America. Not exactly a hard place to live
is it?

The thing is, even the poorest in Mumbai manage to build a shelter for
themselves, they don't sit on their ass moaning about how hard life is
they just get on with it. You on the other hand are living in a house
that ten Mumbai families would share without complaint, leaks and

The question was why "you" are complaining. Trying to compare your
situation to living in Mumbai is a joke.

So, you got caught, bought a house you can't afford and don't have the
skills required to improve it.

What are you going to do about it? Whine some more? Tell us how your
life is like living in Mumbai? Wait for someone to give you a shit
load of cash?

Hey, here's an idea, sell up and migrate to Mumbai.

Posted by Terryc on January 29, 2008, 7:27 am
 J. Clarke wrote:

lol, AFAIK, both countries suffer from the same problem, where ever I
could afford the land to build my own solar home, there isn't the
employment to allow me to do so. <shrug>

This Thread
Bookmark this thread:
  • Subject
  • Author
  • Date
please rate this thread