Posted by bealiba on September 9, 2007, 12:34 pm
On Sep 9, 9:15 pm, nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
Oh yes, now I see.
Nick Pines house;
Nick standing outside his house looking in the window when a fellow
walking down the street stops and says "Nice house".
Nick replies "Thank you, I put a lot of work into the design. The
temperature stays between 60 and 70 degrees all the time with very
little energy input from the grid or gas. It's a very good use of
"Gee, it must be cheap to run then."
"Oh yes, you would be surprised at how little it costs."
"Must be nice to live in."
"Oh, we don't live in it. We live in the garage. But the house is
cheap to run and when the weather is nice we sit out here on the lawn
and watch the TV through the window."
"What! You don't live in it? What the hell did you build it for then?"
"Well, we did try to live in it, but what with doors being opened and
closed with all the coming and going of the family, the running of
electrical appliances and the hot water and steam of showers, it
totally destroyed the balance of the solar input. It was either too
hot or too cold. So we moved into the garage."
"So why is the TV inside and not in the garage?"
"Oh, that's simple. The heat from the TV is just a bit of fine tuning
required to make the whole thing balance."
Out here in OZ we have a mandatory 5 Star Energy Rating for new homes.
They are all designed along the same lines as Nicks, to conserve
The funny part is, that while the house is vacant, it all works as per
spec. Just as soon as someone moves in the house sprouts an air
conditioner on the roof.
Hence my question to Nick about the heat involved with occupying a
house. A design that does not take into account the reason for
building the house in the first place, is no design at all.
The reason for building a house is for people to live in. If the
design does not take into account the impact of human use, well...
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on September 9, 2007, 2:31 pm
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:34:17 -0000, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Instead of wasting your life on these silly messertations*, why not
show Nick up by posting one of *your* designs? As I recall, you've
claimed to have "designed" a home that can stay cool in 115F
temperatures by liberal use of mass, AKA magic mass. When are we going
to see the calculations for that? When pigs fly I expect. Oh well, in
the meantime impatient readers can peruse some of your previous
theories here http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm and here
(From Bill B. - *messertation: A type of long Usenet post originally
intended to be a dissertation by the author.)
Posted by pbrannen on September 9, 2007, 9:03 pm
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 beal...@gmail.com
wrote in response to nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu:
(wrt to a passive solar house design posting by Nick)
My house, my answer "The're called windows!"
Since beal...@gmail.com doesn't seem to be interested in numbers , let
me add that here in Alberta, Canada I would be glad to have 'too much
heat', through most of the year. (free too!!)
PS your magic mass to keep a house cool has already been discovered by
rodents and wine lovers!
Posted by bealiba on September 10, 2007, 11:38 pm
On Sep 10, 12:31 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he
will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered
something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his
instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The
origin of myths is explained in this way.
- Bertrand Russell
This is how you, nick, steve and many others in these groups decide
what to believe. If it makes you feel good then it is truth.
You believe that you designed a system because it makes you feel good.
The reality is that you copied your system design, found it did not
meet your needs and kept throwing panels at it until it could, at
least during daylight hours.
Nick believes that he can design the perfect house. The reality is
that he has never done more than waste a lot of paper. He has never
done what he preaches.
Steve believes he has a 1000 watt wind generator that produces 1000
watts whenever it is turning. The reality is that he runs a wind/solar
assisted generator system.
And then, there is beemerwanker. He believes that he is a skilled
designer and builder of solar power systems. The reality is that he is
a ham fisted, ham actor, maladroit with all the tool using skils of a
Now, you want to see my calculations. Interesting request, coming from
a guy that can't even provide such basic information as to how he
arrived at two days autonomy for his system.
If I told you how I designed my house so as not to require air
conditioning you would not be able to comprehend the process.
So I will tell you.
I took several thousand years of building design from many cultures,
added a bit of modern technology, and proceeded to design a house to
meet my needs.
In short, I made a very educated guess based on 40 years of personal
experience and built a house that does not require AC.
When I say that I designed my house, that is just what I did. I drew
And when I say I built my house, I am not playing word games about
being the general contractor. I built the house. I was in charge of
every aspect of construction, I laid every stone. Poured all the
concrete. Did all the steel work. All the timber work. Plumbing and
While you, well, you just hired a bunch of contractors and then tried
to claim the credit.
Posted by beemerwacker on September 11, 2007, 1:09 am
George on the other hand only criticizes everyone without offering
even the slightest information other than "I design correct systems"
which apparently is enough in the world that he lives in.
Good short "thesis" George. Good thing I didn't have to pee when I
read it or my chair would be wet. I love a good laugh.