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Posted by Anthony Matonak on March 26, 2005, 4:29 am
daestrom wrote:

I don't know which newsgroups the messages have been deleted from
but I would think that it's not acceptable to delete someone else's
message in an unmoderated newsgroup (i.e. alt.solar.thermal). I
would think this kind of abusive behavior would be covered in their
ISP's terms of service.


Posted by daestrom on March 26, 2005, 12:24 pm

AFAIK, Nick's messages were not deleted from alt.solar.thermal.  I saw one
that he posted three times in a row (including a tag on the third one
complaining about them being deleted).  I have often had a problem where I
post a message, but turn around and not see it.  I don't believe for a
minute they were deleted, it seems more a function of my lousy news-reader
(OE) and how long it takes me to write the message (i.e. time between
reading message and replying seems to mess up it's tracking of 'new

I can often jump out of OE and then go to Google Groups (have separate
account their) and see the message that I just posted, even though it
*still* doesn't show up on my news reader.  No mysterious censorship, just

Anyway, if a group is *not* moderated, does anyone know *how* somebody could
delete someone else's message?  Short of *hacking* several news servers such
as Google's?  Frankly, I don't think it's happening as censorship.  I just
hopped over to sci.engr.heat-vent-ac and since it was the first time my
news-reader saw this group, it shows quite a lot of messages including the
recent bout of 'radiator placement' and 'Censorship?'.

As far as Nick, well I would say that some of his ideas are a bit extreme.
But to his credit he tries to support his ideas with information and he
doesn't fall into the 'gutter' of flaming and profanity (not that I'm saying
anyone in the current thread does, but some groups are more flames than

When someone has an idea that is really not going to work, it would be
better to explain exactly *why* one disagrees, rather than just saying
things like "Nick has one skill set, and one skill set only - piling
bullshit upon bullshit ...."  Some simple statements like "stratification of
the air in a room can be more uncomfortable", or "the thermal conductivity
of such will be reduced because..." and such is much more helpful.


Posted by pjm on March 26, 2005, 1:32 pm
 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:24:17 GMT, "daestrom"

    Seeing as you choose to quote me, I'll respond that after all
the years I've been dealing with nick's bullshit, I'm not about to
waste my time attempting actual discussion with him, any more than I
would argue with a rock.  It doesn't accomplish anything, and it
irritates the rock.

    Nick can't get published ( his dream ) anywhere except free
newsgroups and his own homepage, so he uses these forums to try to
build himself up, cross-posting merrily away, even being so incredibly
rude as to start out with 'cross posting restored' when someone else
chooses to limit the groups list of a response.

    As to his supposed 'politeness' - you apparently haven't been
reading him long.

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Posted by Tim Lacy on March 28, 2005, 8:24 am

He's published in a stack of magazines.

His math works.  He's explained things in a way that non-engineers can grok.
He supplies references to support what he says.

Sure, insulating a huge tank with leaves and chicken wire is a stretch, but
I bet it'd work (until the leaves decayed, at least).

And your reply to:

">>When someone has an idea that is really not going to work, it would be

was... a bunch of methane.  I've communicated with him on several occasions
over the years, and don't understand what has your panties in such a knot.

I had some other vitriolic comments about the palm products you offer, but I
don't have enough background in HVAC to comment one way or the other, except
that using a $00 PDA to replace a $ lookup card seems a bit much.  But
what do I know?  I'm just a lowly software engineer / program manager with
four degrees (and a patent).

The key issue is dialogue; it's how intelligent entities communicate ideas.

It is way late, sorry if I offended anyone.

Posted by pjm on March 28, 2005, 12:35 pm

    Whoopedy doo.  Like that's difficult.

    His physics are bullshit, and onoly non-engineers would fall
for them.

    Apparently you don't know much at all.  As to degrees - they
speak to me of isolation from reality, just like Nick.  As to patents
- you can patent a ham sandwich if you word it right.  As to your
concept of what PDA's cost - again, it speaks of isolation from
reality.  As to your understanding of what that PDA program does -
your ignorance shows yet again - at least you admit it on this point.
As to being a 'software engineer' - we used to be called 'programmers'
30 years ago when I started doing it for a living.  Then again, the
'sanitary engineer' at the local school used to be a janitor until he
got promoted.

    Given the above, you can shove your reserve of vitriol up your

    Why do you choose to volunteer a blatant lie ?

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