Posted by D Smith on August 3, 2007, 8:13 am
I have been studying for some time a website www.solartwin.com
I have no connection with this company at all I must say to start
with.
But I am interested in this system for a Homebrew setup. I have two
sheets of ally and I plan to squash black rubber tubing in between
them.
The sheets are 8 foot by two foot.
I have a few questions people make like to give there opinions on.
Do I lay the piping 15 mm id from side to side or up and down
Does anybody here know of a source of such tubing
On a 8 * 4 sheet how much tube should I use
What type of matt black paint shall I use to paint the ally sheets
Hope to post some pictures here when done
regards david
Posted by Anthony Matonak on August 3, 2007, 9:18 am
D Smith wrote:
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> But I am interested in this system for a Homebrew setup. I have two
> sheets of ally and I plan to squash black rubber tubing in between
> them.
You only need the ally for the front so you might do better by
routing grooves into foam sheets (or wood), laying the tubing
in these and squashing the ally on top.
> The sheets are 8 foot by two foot.
> I have a few questions people make like to give there opinions on.
> Do I lay the piping 15 mm id from side to side or up and down
I'm no expert in these things but I think I can offer some suggestions.
Since you're doing this yourself, you'll probably want to go with a
serpentine design of one long tube rather than a grid of tubes with
manifolds along two edges. This serpentine method means you'll lose
a little efficiency but it takes less effort to build and there is
less chance of leaking.
Since each bend in the tubing causes more resistance to pumping
water though it, it's a good idea to reduce the number of bends.
This means laying them straight along the long edge.
> Does anybody here know of a source of such tubing
Silicone tubing can be found in most home improvement and hardware
stores. It's usually clear. The color doesn't matter because it'll
be under your collector and not exposed to sunlight anyhow.
> On a 8 * 4 sheet how much tube should I use
I think this depends on the thickness of your ally. I'm sure someone
can give you heat flow calculations but off the cuff, I would guess
that you wouldn't want to space those tubes more than, say, 4 inches
from each other. This would mean 12 runs of 8 feet, plus around 2
feet on each side for the bends. About 100 feet of tubing.
> What type of matt black paint shall I use to paint the ally sheets
If I recall correctly, the best thing is a black chrome treatment but
that's probably outside the budget of something like this and will
only add a small percentage to it's performance. I would say any
black water based paint should do.
Anthony
Posted by Mike Scaife on August 3, 2007, 7:51 pm
"D Smith" wrote >
>Do I lay the piping 15 mm id from side to side or up and down
With rubber or silicon tube it would be easier to serpentine it horizontally
top to bottom with multiple circuits in parallel to keep flow resistance to
a minimum. The back sheet could be wood. There would not be very good heat
conduction between the AL sheet and the water contained in the rubber tube
so I dont know how efficient this setup would be. The sheet could be 1mm
thickness with tube spacing 75mm (3 inches). This setup would not handle any
water pressure.
> What type of matt black paint shall I use to paint the ally sheets
Black self etching primer, several thin coats.
Best of luck.
Mike Scaife (NZ)
Posted by sam c on August 5, 2007, 6:50 am
D Smith wrote:
> I have been studying for some time a website www.solartwin.com
>
> I have no connection with this company at all I must say to start
> with.
>
> But I am interested in this system for a Homebrew setup. I have two
> sheets of ally and I plan to squash black rubber tubing in between
> them.
>
> The sheets are 8 foot by two foot.
>
> I have a few questions people make like to give there opinions on.
>
> Do I lay the piping 15 mm id from side to side or up and down
>
> Does anybody here know of a source of such tubing
>
> On a 8 * 4 sheet how much tube should I use
>
> What type of matt black paint shall I use to paint the ally sheets
>
> Hope to post some pictures here when done
>
> regards david
hi david , you can buy alu ready pressed , it go's under the name "heat
spreader plates" they are used for under floor heating with suspended
timber floors .
I don't want to put you off using solar heating for home brewing but
there are very good low wattage thermostatic immersion heaters for this
purpose , brewing works best with a stable temp . why not use the
panels for domestic hot water instead ?
> sheets of ally and I plan to squash black rubber tubing in between
> them.