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Posted by Solar Flare on May 29, 2008, 8:25 pm
You sure Prohibition was before your time?


It was at the Cornwall end of the lake (maybe it was the St Lawrence creek?)
and the "Indians" (can't say that anymore...fuck'em) were transporting
cigarettes across on vehicles, Maybe about 1995 or so??. Our taxes put
cigarettes up to $-8 suddenly when they were previously about $ a pack.
Indians don't pay taxes and saw a market. The officials were afraid of them
and put the taxes back down.

Posted by daestrom on May 29, 2008, 10:31 pm

Oh yes, now I remember that.  It was quite a bit further north from where I
am, up along the St Larence I think, near Masena NY.  That's a hour or two
drive up around the end of the Lake from where I'm at.

Not being a smoker, I just sort of ignored the whole thing.  But the Indians
(okay, "Native Americans") south of Syracuse used to have a lot of run-in
with the state tax people too.  Many 'white folks' would drive on to the
reservation and buy cigarettes without paying taxes and drive off.  State
wanted the "Native Americans" to collect taxes on all
non-reservation-resident folks buying cigarettes and such.  Native Americans
said, "No."

State then wanted individuals to 'self report' and pay direct.  Yeah, like
*thats* going to happen.

P.S.  Due to another 'sin tax' going into effect next week, cigarettes in NY
will be about $0 / pack for name brand and about $ / pack for 'generics'.

Posted by Solar Flare on May 30, 2008, 12:39 am
 Ontario is slowly wiping out the smokers also. Nice to go to a bar and not
come home with some sinus or throat disease. Kids are showing up in "family"
bars now. We are in process of passing a law against smoking with a child
under 16 in your vehicle. Glad I quit 30 years ago.

Posted by Ed on May 28, 2008, 3:00 pm
 Are you trying to save $$$ or reduce your carbon footprint....

If you are trying to save money...RUN AWAY...   PV must run at full
efficiency all year and get the govt incentives to break even.

If you are trying to lower your carbon footprint... don't worry... You live
in central Illinois, you are using your AC at night during off peak hours,
your power most likely comes from the Clinton Nuclear plant that in the
evening after the cooking and peak AC hours is idling.   Your AC if turned
on only at bed time is not adding any carbon to the environment.  If you
operated at peak times it would add to the peak power generators which are
usually dirty coal (not coal gas), natural gas or even diesel.

If you want a cheap hobby solar project, try solar hot water ... it is the
best ROI right now.   Or SOlar heating but that is ony good for part of the

Posted by Solar Flare on May 28, 2008, 11:43 pm
 Lake Ontario does freeze. Not very often though. Only on the Canadian side
where it is colder [grin]

Your second paragraph got it right.

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