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Posted by mkbath on December 24, 2005, 10:41 pm
I thought coal was about $0 a ton.

Posted by R.H. Allen on December 26, 2005, 9:18 pm
Chris Torek wrote:

Yet DOE is not forecasting an unusually high increase in electricity
prices next year.


Posted by Steve Spence on December 26, 2005, 9:38 pm
 R.H. Allen wrote:

It's $.15 / kWh in most of NY, and has been for years. $.07 is a bargain.

Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net

Posted by Chris Torek on December 27, 2005, 1:27 am
Indeed, they are not, and I am.  Time will tell who is right. :-)
Meanwhile, I note that I have seen complaints from Long Island
customers that their effective rate has gone up 50% (hence, from
$.15/kWh to $.22/kWh) due to "fuel surcharges" tacked on to their
electric bills.  Perhaps a "surcharge" does not count in the DOE
estimates, no matter how long it persists.

(I do not expect 50% across the entire country, more like 20 to 25%.)
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Posted by R.H. Allen on December 27, 2005, 3:44 pm
 Chris Torek wrote:

Fair enough.

I believe the DOE estimates do include surcharges -- certainly their
statistics "after the fact" do. However, a surcharge limited to Long
Island is going to have limited effect on state and national statistics.
Have you seen this happening anywhere else? What were the utility and
regulatory agency justifications for the fuel surcharge on Long Island?
It would be far from unprecedented if it has nothing to do with current
or anticipated fuel prices.

The utilities are going to have to make an awfully compelling case that
paints a pretty bleak picture of the energy industry to get that sort of
increase under the regulated monopolies that still dominate the country.
I don't see that happening, especially since the issues driving coal
prices up appear to be temporary.

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