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Posted by SolarFlare on January 1, 2006, 6:10 pm
What bird kills? That's an old wive's tale.


very pretty on your

with aluminum foil

fish and chickens.

energy generation is


disagree with you.

the future. There

are in east

where migratory

rough on birds.

environmental groups has

farm projects.

with million doller

also have

consistant winds,

winds make wind

large group of very

view", it can


megarich having

Electricity is

factory. It requires a

is a single home

of some kind.

somehow the power

is no "free

allow electrical

back yard" syndrome.

with a generating

Posted by Nelson Gietz on January 1, 2006, 7:36 pm

    Apparently Altamont Pass is a "worst case scenario" and quite unique for
its bird kills.
But generally, picture in your mind an entire flock of birds that happens to
fly through the swept
area of a wind turbine; a blade comes by once every what... every second?
How many birds
if any is it likely to hit?  The birds certainly don't line up, and anyone
who suggests the turbines
take out a flock of birds, or even a large percentage.
    Some birds will die, but look at this to put in in perspective:


Posted by Dan Bloomquist on January 1, 2006, 8:20 pm

Nelson Gietz wrote:

This has come up often enough on sci.energy that it may become folklore
worthy of snopes.com.

Best, Dan.

"We need an energy policy that encourages consumption"
George W. Bush.

"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a
sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."
Vice President Dick Cheney

Posted by dold on January 1, 2006, 9:45 pm

Altamont is near me, so it biases my frame of reference.  I know that a
substantial portion of the "farm" is being shutdown to mitigate the bird

Are you saying that the bird kill story is true for Altamont, but not for
other areas, or that the problem is slight in Altamont?

Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA  38.8,-122.5

Posted by SolarFlare on January 1, 2006, 10:18 pm
 Read the cite text.

If they shut the windmills off the birds run into them
even more....LOL

and quite unique for

mind an entire flock of

reference.  I know that a

to mitigate the bird

Altamont, but not for



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