Posted by Jeff on August 31, 2007, 1:50 pm
I'm getting ready for Winter in Atlanta.
What I have is about a therm/day (150 ft2) of solar air heating and
will be finishing a therm of solar hot water (120 ft2). I think that may
leave me a little shy of my needs.
So what I am thinking about is adding a homebrew heat pump to add
heat to the water store. That would only be run during the warmest parts
of the day and only when the evaporator is above freezing. I've got
several big old AC 220v window units I can scavenge parts from.
It seems to me that the heat pump will be delivering a lower temp
water than the flat plate solar collectors could. That would give two
options, a larger lower temperature store which would also yield a
higher collector efficiency. Or a seperate store for the heat pump
heated water.
Any thoughts, or is this just too crazy?
Jeff
Posted by nicksanspam on August 31, 2007, 2:08 pm
> What I have is about a therm/day (150 ft2) of solar air heating and
>will be finishing a therm of solar hot water (120 ft2). I think that may
>leave me a little shy of my needs.
> So what I am thinking about is adding a homebrew heat pump to add
>heat to the water store...
> Any thoughts, or is this just too crazy?
It seems a bit crazy, with a COP of 3 vs 100+. Maybe you can combine your
air and water heaters in an interesting way, or add an auto radiator, and
end up with a higher efficiency and higher-temp water.
Nick
Posted by daestrom on August 31, 2007, 2:36 pm
> I'm getting ready for Winter in Atlanta.
> What I have is about a therm/day (150 ft2) of solar air heating and will
> be finishing a therm of solar hot water (120 ft2). I think that may leave
> me a little shy of my needs.
> So what I am thinking about is adding a homebrew heat pump to add heat
> to the water store. That would only be run during the warmest parts of the
> day and only when the evaporator is above freezing. I've got several big
> old AC 220v window units I can scavenge parts from.
> It seems to me that the heat pump will be delivering a lower temp water
> than the flat plate solar collectors could. That would give two options,
> a larger lower temperature store which would also yield a higher collector
> efficiency. Or a seperate store for the heat pump heated water.
> Any thoughts, or is this just too crazy?
With warm water and cool outdoors, it would be difficult to get a very
impressive COP from such a heat pump. The usual heat pumps used for home
heating have a much lower 'discharge' temperature (something like just 80F
as opposed to +100F).
Another idea is to reduce your need for hot water. Low-flow shower heads
and grey-water heat recovery come to mind.
daestrom
Posted by Jeff on August 31, 2007, 5:46 pm
daestrom wrote:
>
>
>> I'm getting ready for Winter in Atlanta.
>>
>> What I have is about a therm/day (150 ft2) of solar air heating and
>> will be finishing a therm of solar hot water (120 ft2). I think that
>> may leave me a little shy of my needs.
>>
>> So what I am thinking about is adding a homebrew heat pump to add
>> heat to the water store. That would only be run during the warmest
>> parts of the day and only when the evaporator is above freezing. I've
>> got several big old AC 220v window units I can scavenge parts from.
>>
>> It seems to me that the heat pump will be delivering a lower temp
>> water than the flat plate solar collectors could. That would give two
>> options, a larger lower temperature store which would also yield a
>> higher collector efficiency. Or a seperate store for the heat pump
>> heated water.
>>
>> Any thoughts, or is this just too crazy?
>>
>
> With warm water and cool outdoors, it would be difficult to get a very
> impressive COP from such a heat pump. The usual heat pumps used for
> home heating have a much lower 'discharge' temperature (something like
> just 80F as opposed to +100F).
I'm actually thinking of staple up underfloor radiant, But if 80F out
is all I'm going to get then that is not good. I was hoping for 50F in
and 110F out for a 60F "head" and a COP of 2.5 or so...
Cheers,
Jeff
>
> Another idea is to reduce your need for hot water. Low-flow shower
> heads and grey-water heat recovery come to mind.
>
> daestrom
>
>will be finishing a therm of solar hot water (120 ft2). I think that may
>leave me a little shy of my needs.
> So what I am thinking about is adding a homebrew heat pump to add
>heat to the water store...
> Any thoughts, or is this just too crazy?