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Posted by Rick... (The other Rick) on April 28, 2009, 11:59 am
Has anybody seen
In brief, fuel production on the Martian surface for NASA.

Now, how about this...

1. A large Solar array in a desert close to the sea.
2. This array powers a desalination plant.
3. The desalinated water is then split into Hydrogen and Oxygen, again using the
Solar array for
4. Co2 is captured from the air.
5. The Hydrogen and Co2 are passed through a Sabatier reactor producing Methane.
6. The Methane is liquefied and shipped off for our use as a carbon neutral
7. Excess water can be used by any local community or used for agriculture.

In my opinion, one of the biggest drawbacks with Solar power is that when the
sun is not shining, no
power is generated. Also there is no practical way of storing large quantities
of electrical power.
This system, while probably not very efficient, seems to have a lot going for it.

Also, if the system can produce enough Hydrogen during the day, as the Sabatier
reaction is
exothermic, I see no reason why production cannot continue 24 hours a day. Maybe
excess heat from
the reactor could be used to power a generating plant.

I know that at first glance this idea seems improbable, but look at

The Los Alamos people seem to prefer the Nuclear option to power their system,
well they would
wouldn't they?

It seems to me that there are probably lots of ideas out there, but companies
want to develop new
ways of doing old stuff so that they can patent it and control the technology.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with using old technology in new ways.

Anybody got a few million to spare for a pilot plant?
Alternatively, the concept could be tested at an existing Solar plant.

If anybody does make a go at it, I don't want any money (would be nice though) a
mention where you
got the ideas from is enough.

Just my rambling thoughts........
Rick... (The other Rick)

Science and sound engineering will always prevail in the end
"for nature cannot be fooled" [Feynman]

Posted by RF on April 28, 2009, 5:26 pm
Rick... (The other Rick) wrote:

You have my permission to put it in Los Angeles  :-)
It should help to clear up the mess there.

Posted by williamsdavid65 on April 30, 2009, 5:17 pm

How are you proposing to do Step 4? There's only about one part in
3000 of CO2 in air. Certainly, it can be isolated in various ways, but
they all require significant amounts of energy.


Posted by Rick... (The other Rick) on April 30, 2009, 11:37 pm
 On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT), williamsdavid65@gmail.com wrote:

the Solar array for



Well, have a look at
for some ideas.

and I believe that Los Alamos has developed a new way of extracting CO2 as well.

Rick... (The other Rick)

Science and sound engineering will always prevail in the end
"for nature cannot be fooled" [Feynman]

Posted by williamsdavid65 on May 1, 2009, 9:41 pm

Quoting this article:

"The system works, but it takes a whopping amount of energy."


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