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Posted by Robert Scott on February 3, 2009, 5:12 pm
me@privacy.net wrote:

Sure.  Anyone who wants to and can afford to should be able to sell power to
everyone else.  And if fossil fuel providers are taxed appropriately to cover
the true cost of the damage they do, then solar and wind will be competitive.

Robert Scott
Ypsilanti, Michigan

Posted by Morris Dovey on February 3, 2009, 6:18 pm
me@privacy.net wrote:

Since you're edging away from the original question into my territory,
let me butt in and express doubts about the economics of installing a
personal generating capacity for other than meeting emergency needs.

OTOH, if you're not talking about /just/ electricity, and are willing to
consider solar heating, there may well be some economic advantage to
installing solar DHW and space heating.

(I sell passive air-heating panels and so may be a bit biased. <g>)

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Posted by Blue Cat on January 28, 2009, 2:51 am

The concept of an off-grid supply and emergency power are two different
animals. I remember when I lived in upstate New York there was a freak
October 1987 storm of wet snow that knocked diwn tree limbs and disrupted
electric power for three days. We lived in the basement, using a gas space
heater (with no electric controls) to keep us warm. The gas stove in the
kitchen operated with no problems. We also put frozen food outside for a
while. Sure the gas service wasn't too green, nor batteries charged up
through a car's electric system green either, but it was emergency power. As
for portable kerosene heaters, I saw their potential dangers of fire and
carbon monoxide, and never bought one.

I have a small (150 watt) solar PV system where I live now (Florida)  that
operates lights, fans, radios, and charges batteries. When Hurricane Wilma
cut power in 2005, I used the pv panels also to operate a cooler, and also a
small TV. The system didn't cost more than $00, and I had lights at night.
As for cooking, I used a camping stove and liquid propane (Here again, not
green, but emergency). I gain experience by using the solar equipment, and
get a small amount of power that I don't have to pay the utility for.

You don't have to live in Florida or the desert Southwest to take advantage
of solar power.

Posted by mogga on February 3, 2009, 11:19 am
 On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:24:57 GMT, none@dont-mail-me.com (Robert Scott)

British Gas increased it's gas prices by something like 35%

The company, which supplies energy to nearly half of all households in
the UK, raised gas bills by 35 per cent and electricity bills by 9 per
cent with immediate effect.

Savings rates have plummetted here too - so you may as well spend the

And another reason would be to stop contributing towards the ernomous
profits of these big companies.


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