Posted by RF on July 31, 2008, 9:53 pm
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar
revolution
Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage
system
Anne Trafton, News Office
July 31, 2008
In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar
power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a
mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have
overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar
power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't
shine.
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Posted by Eeyore on July 31, 2008, 10:37 pm
RF wrote:
> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
> 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar
> revolution
> Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage
> system
> Anne Trafton, News Office
> July 31, 2008
> In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar
> power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a
> mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have
> overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar
> power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't
> shine.
By converting it to hydrogen and oxygen ?
What's revolutionary about that ? There's a lot of bogus science on that
page too like the idea you can split water into 'just' oxygen or
hydrogen.
Whatever happened to MIT ?
Graham
Posted by RicodJour on August 1, 2008, 12:33 am
wrote:
> RF wrote:
> >http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
> > 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar
> > revolution
> > Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage
> > system
> > Anne Trafton, News Office
> > July 31, 2008
> > In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar
> > power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a
> > mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have
> > overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar
> > power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't
> > shine.
> By converting it to hydrogen and oxygen ?
> What's revolutionary about that ? There's a lot of bogus science on that
> page too like the idea you can split water into 'just' oxygen or
> hydrogen.
> Whatever happened to MIT ?
You misread the article...or didn't read it at all. You also placed
your quotation marks around the wrong word. Nowhere does it say that
they are splitting 'just water' into 'just one gas'. The article did
say they, "have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the
sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen
gases."
The article did say, "The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new
process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another
catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas."
The guy they quoted in the article doesn't appear to be a lightweight
nor agree with your skepticism. "This is a major discovery with
enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind," said
Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College
London. "The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since
it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy
production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and
addressing the global climate change problem."
In case you're not familiar with Imperial College -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_College_London . Then again,
he's only a silly professor and you read one article about it on the
interweb, so I'm sure you're right.
R
Posted by Eeyore on August 1, 2008, 6:06 am
RicodJour wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > RF wrote:
> > >http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
> >
> > > 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar
> > > revolution
> > > Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage
> > > system
> >
> > > Anne Trafton, News Office
> > > July 31, 2008
> >
> > > In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar
> > > power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a
> > > mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have
> > > overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar
> > > power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't
> > > shine.
> >
> > By converting it to hydrogen and oxygen ?
> >
> > What's revolutionary about that ? There's a lot of bogus science on that
> > page too like the idea you can split water into 'just' oxygen or
> > hydrogen.
> >
> > Whatever happened to MIT ?
> You misread the article...or didn't read it at all. You also placed
> your quotation marks around the wrong word. Nowhere does it say that
> they are splitting 'just water' into 'just one gas'. The article did
> say they, "have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the
> sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen
> gases."
> The article did say, "The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new
> process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another
> catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas."
Well, the article was badly written at least. It was ambiguous IMHO.
> The guy they quoted in the article doesn't appear to be a lightweight
> nor agree with your skepticism. "This is a major discovery with
> enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind," said
> Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College
> London. "The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since
> it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy
> production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and
> addressing the global climate change problem."
But no numbers about efficiency. And there's all the usual hydrogen storage
problems still.
> In case you're not familiar with Imperial College -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_College_London . Then again,
> he's only a silly professor and you read one article about it on the
> interweb, so I'm sure you're right.
I was offered a place at Imperial as it happens. Went to UCL instead.
Graham
Posted by RicodJour on August 1, 2008, 11:08 am
wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > Eeyore wrote:
> > > By converting it to hydrogen and oxygen ?
> > > What's revolutionary about that ? There's a lot of bogus science on that
> > > page too like the idea you can split water into 'just' oxygen or
> > > hydrogen.
> > > Whatever happened to MIT ?
> > You misread the article...or didn't read it at all. You also placed
> > your quotation marks around the wrong word. Nowhere does it say that
> > they are splitting 'just water' into 'just one gas'. The article did
> > say they, "have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the
> > sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen
> > gases."
> > The article did say, "The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new
> > process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another
> > catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas."
> Well, the article was badly written at least. It was ambiguous IMHO.
No, it wasn't. Your opinion apparently precluded your reading
comprehension.
> > The guy they quoted in the article doesn't appear to be a lightweight
> > nor agree with your skepticism. "This is a major discovery with
> > enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind," said
> > Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College
> > London. "The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since
> > it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy
> > production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and
> > addressing the global climate change problem."
> But no numbers about efficiency. And there's all the usual hydrogen storage
> problems still.
Would you like your perfect solution wrapped up with a bow and
installed free of charge? Sheesh.
> > In case you're not familiar with Imperial College -
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_College_London . Then again,
> > he's only a silly professor and you read one article about it on the
> > interweb, so I'm sure you're right.
> I was offered a place at Imperial as it happens. Went to UCL instead.
Uh huh.
R
> 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar
> revolution
> Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage
> system
> Anne Trafton, News Office
> July 31, 2008
> In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar
> power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a
> mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have
> overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar
> power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't
> shine.