Posted by Morris Dovey on July 16, 2009, 2:09 pm
Martin Trautmann wrote:
<spammer's link snipped for improved hygiene>
Umm - since this thread is in news:alt.solar.thermal - I'll mention that
my little enterprise has been selling complete, totally self-contained,
and ready-to-install heating panels for comfortably less than US$/Watt
for a few years now.
That's at retail, of course. Shipping is extra. :)
For authoritative PV info, please visit news:alt.solar.photovoltaic
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Posted by Joesepi on July 18, 2009, 2:26 pm
Obviously the author of the article has very little technical knowledge and
obviously the Morris cannot read or did not read the article and chose this
oportunity to spam the group. Me thinks he is one of the biggest whiners
about others doing the same thing.
Posted by Morris Dovey on July 18, 2009, 3:40 pm
I actually did read it, and my response was directly related to both the
topic of the alt.solar.thermal newsgroup and the subject of the post to
which I responded. :)
I also build and install more solar heating panels every year than most
of the posters here will build in their lifetimes and, in fact, probably
build (and discard) more /experimental/ panels every year than any of
the self-appointed net cops will build in their lifetimes...
...and even though I develop, manufacture, and sell solar devices, I
haven't been particularly shy about sharing information that I think
might be of use to individuals who want to build their own. Much of that
information has been distilled and made freely available to the general
public on my web pages (the pages on fluidynes are now drawing well over
a thousand hits/day from all around the world).
I have certainly benefited from reading on-topic postings here - and I'm
not bashful about giving credit and thanks to those who've helped me
find and learn how to do better.
I look forward to seeing your contributions to solar thermal technology
- and to learning from you...
...and invite you to add me to your killfile if you find my posts
offensive, since I'm unlikely to change my habits just to suit you.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Posted by Joesepi on July 23, 2009, 1:43 am
The article was clearly identified, in the article, many times, that it's
subject matter was PV panels.
My comments about the author agreed with Martin's post.
My comments about your spam whining were not substantiated and obviously I
had you confused with wayne or george :-). The OP was off-topic.
Does NOT work for solar thermal, spammer.
Posted by Morris Dovey on July 23, 2009, 5:16 am
No harm done. I /do/ get a bit cranky about PV stuff here when there's
an entire newgroup dedicated to it right next door - and sometimes I
have real difficulty not pointing out what I see as the cost and
efficiency advantages of solar thermal devices/systems.
I have a triple agenda:  to broaden people's notion of what's
possible,  to encourage people to /think/ "beyond the box" and to
actually /try/ their own ideas, and  to learn enough from other
people to do all of the above for myself. I think I've had most success
with the last. :)
I sell solar heating panels, but usenet is not where any of my customers
have come from - and is not where I hope to find them, for the simple
reason that the folks in the groups I read are generally willing and
able to build their own.
I try to imagine that we're all face-to-face in a big room. I can get
along with George and I admire the work he's put into his home. Wayne
takes only a bit more effort - but I don't much enjoy the way they
relate (or fail to relate) to each other. A very small number of others
have been so tiresome and made civility so difficult that I no longer
see their posts.
The only time I've intentionally spammed was when Gazprom shut off the
natural gas flow to the Ukraine pipeline, and I offered to undertake
joint ventures to produce solar heating panels in the twenty or so
affected countries. That breach of normal etiquette seemed (to me)
appropriate in that circumstance. I expected to be flamed, but was not.
Still, if I'm going to offer a /good/ example, then I'd rather brag
about my stuff than someone else's. :)
DeSoto, Iowa USA