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Re: Oct 28th rossi 1 mw cold fusion test....

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Posted by Morris Dovey on October 30, 2011, 4:09 am
 
On 10/29/11 9:06 AM, vaughn wrote:

[reading/posting @ alt.solar.thermal]

I'm disappointed that Rossi did not present a demonstration adequate to
convince all reasonable skeptics.

I'm flattered that Vaughn might consider any result I might produce to
be worth waiting for - but I think it'd be a GoodThing^TM if more people
conducted their own tests and made their results public.

My efforts are painfully slow. Nearly every aspect of this thing calls
for knowledge and skills I don't have. I have a pretty good idea what I
want to build and how I want to control it; but I have little-to-no
experience in how to build it safely/well* - and it doesn't help a lot
to know that, even if I manage to build well, a self-sustaining Ni/H
fusion process may not ensue.

Had I been in Rossi's shoes, I would also have kept the generator
running to ensure the ability to power the coolant pumps if any system
failure required a safe emergency shutdown (1MW - or even just 470kW -
confined to that plumbing strikes me as a /lot/ of heat). His test would
have been much more convincing for me if he had shown /clearly/ that
power had been disconnected from the heaters.

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* If anyone would like to play along, I could use some help with a
combination heater/temperature sensor using an up to 16-inch (406.4mm)
nichrome wire threaded through ceramic cores (inside a 1/4x4-inch copper
tube that's closed on one end) with one side connected to ground and the
other to a SPST relay so that when the relay is powered, the wire will
be heated with AC power; and when the relay is unpowered, the resistance
of the wire can be sensed to determine its temperature. The sensing
circuit needs to produce an output voltage that can be fed to an Arduino
A/D converter with a 5VDC Vref and sharing the ground connection. Heater
power needs to be something that can be reasonably derived from 120VAC
60Hz mains to provide power in the 250W neighborhood. I just uploaded a
photo of some ceramic cores to

    http://www.iedu.com/Solar/Electricity/Fusion/Core4 (500x400).jpg

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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
http://www.iedu.com/Solar/

Posted by Morris Dovey on October 30, 2011, 4:23 am
 
On 10/29/11 11:09 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:

Argh!


SPST should have been SPDT! Sorry.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
http://www.iedu.com/Solar/

Posted by eric gisse on October 30, 2011, 10:54 am
 

I don't know what your role is in all this, so I'll just proceed as if
you have one.

If convincing skeptics is the goal, have Rossi or someone else put an
inductive loop around the generator leads so the current can be known at
all times. Additionally, have a voltmeter hooked up physically so
voltage can be known at all times.

Then, P = IV.

If P_generator << P_blackbox then YHATZEE! People will take Rossi
marginally more seriously and then people like me won't be able to see
that the generator was running the whole time and be entirely right for
laughing at the scam.

I, however, expect P_generator ~ P_blackbox because it is my personal
opinion its' a long con designed to bilk money out of that investor
assuming he actually exists. If the investor doesn't exist, one will
soon.

Posted by eric gisse on October 30, 2011, 10:01 pm
 
[...]


Since Rossi isn't saying, that does strike me as a unique challenge.

The most hilarious outcome would be if Morris deciphered the trade secret
in the event that Rossi isn't full of shit [unlikely] and started selling
some devices on his own or just published how to make it.

Patents on stuff like this will be granted....if there's a working model.

Otherwise...lol

Posted by Mho on October 30, 2011, 10:36 pm
 The US Patent Office grants patents on anything, even if it is impossible or
doesn't exist. Patents average less than 5 hours of Officer time and they
don't have time to actually investigate anything. The patent holders signs
"prior art" agreements.

US patents have become a joke and have to be rescinded frequently due to
legal actions.


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"eric gisse"  wrote in message
Since Rossi isn't saying, that does strike me as a unique challenge.

The most hilarious outcome would be if Morris deciphered the trade secret
in the event that Rossi isn't full of shit [unlikely] and started selling
some devices on his own or just published how to make it.

Patents on stuff like this will be granted....if there's a working model.

Otherwise...lol


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