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Posted by bealiba on January 27, 2008, 9:20 pm

Why, do you have statistics that show I'm wrong?

You have picked the wrong argument with the wrong person. I have not
led either a sheltered and over privileged existence. And I built a
house. and when I say that, it is the truth. And I did it without
borrowing a cent from the bank, had a heart attack during the
building, finished the house, became a designer and installer of solar
power, got a diploma of art and raised a family. Am I independently
wealthy? No, just persistent.

Really, 68F and you're cold, right at the moment it is 20C in my
house. Very comfortable. Work it out, 68F is 20C. So either you are
bare assed naked, unwell or your heating is malfunctioning.  My solar
is custom built, if "Custom Built" means I built it myself.

No, they are almost always retired. I have a 1950 square foot home.
Now that the kids have struck out on their own the house is huge.

Posted by J. Clarke on January 28, 2008, 3:16 am
bealiba@gmail.com wrote:

You made the assertion.  It's up to you to support it.

68F at the thermostat.  That doesn't mean 68 where I'm sitting.

I'm happy for you.

There are other possibilities, and a careful reading would have shown
that I specifically mentioned one of them.

There's also the little issue that what is cold to you is hot to
someone else and vice versa.  If you've never lived with someone who
was comfortable at a different temperature from you then you are

Nice that you can afford a custom built house.  Most people aren't
that wealthy.  Nice that you can afford the time to build a house.
Most people have to work.

In other words the kids grew up and moved out.

For you maybe.

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Posted by bealiba on January 28, 2008, 4:18 am
Put on some clothes.

Yes, it is nice to have a custom built house.

But, as I told you, that argument don't wash with me. I built our
house while I was unemployed, while recovering from a heat attack,
while working as a welder/truck driver at the quarry and going to
school,  while I was designing and installing solar power system
across three states, while in school again, while raising two kids,
while going to school yet again. What was your excuse again? Lack of
time was it, or just lack of backbone?

No they bought the house when they retired.

Bit on the porky side are you?

Gee John, one gets the feeling from your posts that you feel that you
are hard done by.

You don't like solar power because you think it costs too much. Nobody
ever said it was cheap.

You don't like solar power because other people have it and you don't.
Just because you are unable to have it doesn't make those that do bad

You don't like 68F because it's too cold. Turn up the thermostat and
pay the bill

Posted by J. Clarke on January 28, 2008, 12:18 pm
 bealiba@gmail.com wrote:

First, if you're expecting every person in the world to build their
own house then you're a damned fool, and second, since you've chosen
to personalize this, with your "lack of backbone" comment,

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Oh, and http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ .

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Posted by bealiba on January 28, 2008, 1:34 pm
Read your posts. All you have done is whine about how hard it is to do
anything to help yourself. Don't have the money, don't have the time,
I have to work, it's all so hard, woe is me, what can I do?

You would be surprised at what can be done with a bit of sweat and

Yes, it takes time. But, if you have time to sit around and feel sorry
for yourself you certainly have time to do a bit of work around your
house and you can even feel sorry for yourself while you do it if you

People told me my life was finished when I had the heart attack. They
were wrong. Just like you.

Any time I had a spare couple of bucks I bought materials, any time I
had a spare hour or two I built. So what the hell is your frigging
excuse if it's not a lack of backbone.

And if you think that "Lack of backbone" is personal, I showed my wife
your posts, she nearly laughed herself sick and thinks your a pussy.

Here in OZ, plonk is just cheap wine. And cheap wine is just an excuse
not to do anything.

So again, What is your excuse that explains why you sit around doing
nothing but whine?

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