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Posted by Solar Flare on January 29, 2008, 2:55 pm
Can you either, trim these useless posts or stop bottom posting?

Posted by Terryc on January 28, 2008, 12:58 am
J. Clarke wrote:

lol, you have a basic choice to make; either you can continue to shell
out for an increasing costly enrgy bill, or you can do what is normal
for people who buy handyman specials; you do them up.

Sounds like you are at a gold opportunity to max insulation; hint double
what the hardware salesman tells you is standard and try all sorts of
other stuff.

sorry, but your inability should be used to condem PV.

Agreed, but it doesn't all have to be immediately confortable 24x7 and
then you should not expect any sympathy when you whine about your energy

Unfortunately, I've been in a few of these sprawling mansions that house
two people and they are 99.99% badly designed piles of crap archtecture.
That are not functional. Designed to match crap in glossy magazines, bt
no one thought about heating or cooling the place, or even who the heck
is going to keep it clean, etc.


Posted by J. Clarke on January 28, 2008, 3:21 am
 Terryc wrote:

No point in insulating the walls if the insulation is going to get
soaked the first time it rains.

In due time.  Or are you offering to pay for it?

I'm sorry, but I don't see where rejecting the notion that everybody
can just on a whim and with no cost to themselves reduce their energy
consumption by some absurd amount has anything to do with "condemining

If it's not going to be "immediately comfortable 24/7" then you need
to install multiple zone heat and insulate interior walls.  That's not

Which is beside the point.  Maybe you are wealthy enough that moving
all of your possessions out of your house, tearing it down, rebuilding
it according to your ideas, and then moving back in is an option.  If
so I'm happy for you but you are decidedly in the minority.  Most
people take what's on the market at the price they can pay.

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Posted by Terryc on January 29, 2008, 7:23 am
 J. Clarke wrote:

Err,sounds like you've just posted your major problem. Obviously you fix
the roof first. Caveat, if you are replacing timbers, make sure it s
adequate for the final load; ie, corrugated iron, versus tile, vs PV
installation, etc

Well, the banks view was 6x times what we felt comfortable borrowing, so
I guess I'm not most people.

Over here, peep just build the new house around the old as they demolish
it, bit by bit. frankly, few people do that as they either lack the
skills or confidence.

Posted by bealiba on January 29, 2008, 11:25 am
Terry, you had better be careful. You're skating very close to getting
personal and the dreaded PLONK  ;-)

But you are absolutely right. One job at a time, even just one leak at
a time, one wall at a time. It never ceases to amaze me how some
people are so afraid to start that they never do in the end. But the
truth is that anything is possible with vision and guts to just get on
with it.

My wife and I built our house, one bit at a time. Over 100 Tonne of
stone and concrete. You can see picts at;


If you're interested. Never borrowed a brass razzoo to do it either.
Few extra dollars, buy materials. Few free hours, build. It's a good
life if you don't weaken.

Banks? Best to just stay away from them if you can.

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