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Posted by Dan Reyes on November 16, 2006, 4:46 pm
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:49:52 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:

That's what I was thinking of, or in pop-science articles in newspapers
and magazines. What I was suggesting was that there may be some form of
energy that is being tapped. Whatever it may be, it's scifi at the present
time, but will suddenly become real if Steorn's device works.

Posted by Derek Broughton on November 16, 2006, 9:35 pm
Dan Reyes wrote:

[hear] - I can't believe I let that get by me...

The mind boggles.  "zero-point energy" means the point at which you can get
zero energy.  It can't suddenly "become real".  Yes, we will figure out new
ways to get energy but _by definition_ it isn't going to come from
the "zero-point energy", and it's really unlikely to come from anywhere
else.  We have the Laws of thermodynamics for a reason.  For something to
be considered a Law of physics, it requires overwhelming evidence.

Posted by Dan Reyes on November 17, 2006, 12:21 am
 On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:35:39 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:

I meant that if the Steorn device works, whatever 'energy' powers it
will have to be considered real, even if presently unknown to exist.

Experiment trumps theory, right?

Scientists will give it a name: Steorn-Point Energy, and will dream up
theories to account for the operation of the device.

If the gizmo works, is that overwhelming evidence?

Posted by CM on November 17, 2006, 6:17 am
Only if the experiment is valid, and not tampered with by some hidden
trickery. Unfortunately, scientists are not used to dealing with frauds.
Lab rats don't do slight-of-hand. Chemicals don't try deception. Physical
forces never attempt misdirection.

What is really needed in the testing is someone who is expert at trickery -
a professional magician, like the Amazing Randi. But of course, Steorn
won't let anyone like that near the testing - only a carefully selected
group they hope to deceive.

Why? I figure the schemers at Steorn will come up with their own wild
bafflegab theory to explain the supposed breakthrough.

If it works by trickery  (and there are many ways to pull off the
deception) that is hardly "overwhelming evidence".


Posted by News on November 23, 2006, 9:46 am

Not over many months with a team of reputed scientists there is not.

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