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Posted by News on November 22, 2006, 2:04 pm
 


They will not accept money even if you offer.  I fail to see where the scam
is, if there is one.

If these people believe they have something as big as this and they don't
need external money to prove it, why should they want money before the full
patent is issued?  They would be fools to unnecessarily get others in at
such an early stage. If it does do what they say then they get the lot. Once
proven then they strike deals with companies who will make the motor.

They say they have been looking into this for 3 years wondering what errors
they made as the test instrument figures didn't appear right to them. They
don't need cash for development as that has been done.

They say they have something and can replicate it. They openly say they have
a team of independent scientific testers to verify their claims and will not
accept any money even of you offer.

If someone can tell me where the scam is I would like to know. It may not
work, but I see no scam.


I have been News, and only News, for about 8 or 9 years or so.  Do a Google.


Posted by Derek Broughton on November 22, 2006, 5:33 pm
 
News wrote:


You can't possibly know that.  There _is_ either a scam, a hoax, or complete
scientific stupidity, because it is provably not possible to do what they
claim.


You _do_ know that they won't get a patent for it either...


Of course they would - my point precisely.  They'll get others "in" only
after they've adequately set up the con.


I.e., _scam_.


Pons & Fleishcmann said the same.


"They openly say".  We have _their_ (and your) word for it.  That's NOT
independent.
 

OK, so perhaps you're not "Dan Reyes" - however, googling is never going to
prove that to me, any more than you or Dan are going to "prove" this isn't
a scam by quoting Steorns press-releases and websites.
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derek

Posted by Steve O'Hara-Smith on November 23, 2006, 7:10 am
 On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:33:34 -0400


    No it is not. What they claim is contrary to currently accepted
theory but nothing is provably impossible. Personally I think it is likely
to be a hoax but I'd love to be proved wrong.

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Posted by Derek Broughton on November 23, 2006, 11:46 pm
 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:


The modern ignorance of science is astounding.  Yes, it is provable.
See "Thermodynamics, Laws of".
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Posted by Steve O'Hara-Smith on November 24, 2006, 6:21 am
 On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:46:29 -0400


    Yes it is astounding - that there are people who believe that there
is such a thing as a scientific proof. Any real scientist knows that all
there are are hypotheses which after sufficient testing are regarded as
theories and which are ready to be tossed out at as soon as a verifiable
observation falsifies them.


    A well established theory with no known falsifications. It is not
and cannot be proven. Remember Newton's laws of motion stood for 400 years
before the odd little details that falsified them came to light (pun
intended).

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