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Posted by Eeyore on October 17, 2007, 1:03 pm
 


Tony Bryer wrote:


No ? How about Cameron's windmill and the desire for adulation he seeks from its
worthless existence ?

Even big wind turbines are a poor return on investment in most places.

Graham


Posted by The Natural Philosopher on October 17, 2007, 12:55 pm
 
Eeyore wrote:

The average joe CAN in his sphere of influence: No one would e.g.
actually burn expenisve furniture if they could e.g. sell it and buy
more fuel than is in the furniture.. global warming is a bit like
that..we are burning the global furniture because it is plentiful and free..

We don;t need legislation, we need taxation.

If the trip to Tescos cost 50 you would think twice about getting in
the car to do it.

Heck, you could afford to pay a *rickshaw* to do it for you, at that price.








Posted by Eeyore on October 17, 2007, 1:14 pm
 

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


regret

As I have said elsewhere, whether you achieve this by a tax or a subsidy,
overall in
the total scheme of things, it makes little difference. They're just names for
redirecting the flow of money. Some names may be more palatable than others.

Graham


Posted by The Natural Philosopher on October 17, 2007, 4:46 pm
 Eeyore wrote:

regret

overall in

I don't have a problem with that at all.

I DO have a problem with LEGISLATION. This makes it look like you are
doing something, when you are not, and has loads of unintended
consequences. Direct financial bias  by the sensible application of
taxes and subsidies goes straight to the heart of the problem.

Don't ban 4x4's - Tax fuel
Don't force people to recycle. Tax *new* stuff.
Don't ban incandescent light bulbs. Tax electricity.

Don't enforce a minimum wage. Remove income tax. And subsidise EVERYONE.

Don't susbidise windmills either, just tax fossil fuel. If windmills are
cost effective, people will build em. If they are not, they won't.






Posted by Jim on October 19, 2007, 12:49 am
 

    It is.


    Ditto.


    Yup, it's already being done. Anyone sense a pattern here....?


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