Posted by no spam on October 24, 2007, 6:06 pm
I have a house on 23 +/- acres in TN that I'm trying to sell. When we moved
out I had to go to the hardware store and buy a new door lock because we
didn't even know where the key for the old one was. For the 11+ years we
lived there we never locked the door. Even when we left for a week or so
over Christmas. I also left the keys in ever vehicle I had.
I'd be willing to bet that no more than one home in 25 DID NOT have a
firearm in the house. Yet there was one murder in the 10 years I lived
there and NO accidental shootings of any type.
I had a friend who live 30 miles from me in a large city (80K or so) who had
his car stolen and was venting to me about it. After a while he stopped
ranting and looked me and something like the following conversion happened:
Him--You don't have this type of problem out there where you live, do you?
Him-- Do you know WHY!??
Him-- Because a crook knows that if the home owner doesn't shoot him the
Posted by Morris Dovey on October 20, 2007, 11:48 am
| You both - we all- are filled with the 'culture' of your
| country, this is always amusing to see it.
Agreed. One of my most delightful discoveries as a young person was
that observers from different cultures could all view the same object
or event and each produce a different "flavor" of understanding.
Later, I discovered that by learning new languages I could share in
those different kinds of understanding.
Later still, working with a fairly large assortment of people from
different parts of the world, I found it breathtaking to see how
effectively the group could analyze and produce solutions to complex
technical problems - because each language/culture seemed to provide a
| Did you choose it ? Or was it 'written' on your mind by some
| "Moby-Dick' or 'David Copperfield' ?
I think 'written' by parents, family, teachers, and respected elders
when young, then 'edited' and extended with experience and
| America built itself as an antithesis of England/Europe ...
I don't think so - rather there was an attempt to keep what was
thought to be good and worthwhile and to discard the harmful, the
worthless, and the unproductive. What survived that sorting process
became the philosophical foundation, and the remainder was invented
(not always in America) as needed.
| America is huge and diverse : Boston, Little Rock,
| Salt Lake City and San Francisco are rather different.
Above the surface, they're like different worlds - but if you look
closely under the surface, they're all built on the same foundation.
At the very core they're probably more alike than the inhabitants are
willing to admit.
| About gun ! If my home was built in the middle of a 9 acres
| land in Texas -as that uncle in another topic here :)- I'd have
| lot of weappons, dogs, guards, alarms, ... and even wouldn't
| sleep well.
The firearms would lose importance rapidly, and you'd probably wonder
why on earth you bought more than one. After you got to know your
neighbors, you'd probably begin to forget to lock the doors and to
turn on the alarm - and if you didn't sleep, it'd be because you were
too busy talking. :-)
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Posted by The Natural Philosopher on October 20, 2007, 1:16 pm
Morris Dovey wrote:
he lower the population density, the lower the crime PER HEAD OF
POPULATION, is a broad rule.
its hard to commit a crime against another when you have to drive 50
miles to do it, and 50 miles back.
Its even less reasonable that you would want to.
They would have to have something very valuable to offset the fuel cost.
Its no accident that CIVILisation comes from the Latin root meaning 'of
a town or city'
All the rules of society apply to ordering the behaviour of CITY-ZENS
arguably they are not needed in deep rural locations.
Posted by Erdemal on October 20, 2007, 5:00 pm
Morris Dovey wrote:
Looking at the world from Belgium (me) is somewhat different than
from Middle West (you), so you have a 'geo-politic' parameter in
creating an identity ... I'd like to learn sociology :).
Yes, I tried to make it short ! You forgot Hollywood but this
one is for all of us.
Whatever Eeyore says, USA is/was a success, it rules/ruled the world
for now 60 years and stole it to the Brits :) by machiavelic moves :).
Ok, I changed my mind ! How much for 10 acres :)
N.B. I wonder what this has to do with alt.solar.thermal :)
Posted by Morris Dovey on October 20, 2007, 6:00 pm
| Morris Dovey wrote:
|| Erdemal wrote:
| Looking at the world from Belgium (me) is somewhat different than
| from Middle West (you), so you have a 'geo-politic' parameter in
| creating an identity ... I'd like to learn sociology :).
I envy your vantage point - and I can only applaud that your children
learn so many languages in school. I'm not a native midwesterner, by
the way, I was born in the southeast (Georgia) and did most of my
growing up in eastern Saudi Arabia. I studied mathematics - and I'd
like to tackle cultural anthropology. Instead I'm building solar
||| Did you choose it ? Or was it 'written' on your mind by some
||| "Moby-Dick' or 'David Copperfield' ?
|| I think 'written' by parents, family, teachers, and respected
|| elders when young, then 'edited' and extended with experience and
| Yes, I tried to make it short ! You forgot Hollywood but this
| one is for all of us.
There wasn't much of Hollywood or TV in the desert. I didn't miss it
then, and I don't find much in either that's relevant to my life now.
Somewhere along the way I learned to find amusements that don't much
depend on professional entertainers.
| Whatever Eeyore says, USA is/was a success, it rules/ruled the world
| for now 60 years and stole it to the Brits :) by machiavelic moves
Well, it's a work in progress - we've managed to get some things right
and we've botched others. We have a lot to learn and we know it. Hmm -
an insight for the sociologist: I think Americans would much rather
march at the head of the parade than rule the world - a recognition
that, as a society, we still have some maturing to do...
| Ok, I changed my mind ! How much for 10 acres :)
That depends on where you'd like to locate. Prices for farmland in
Iowa are currently running around $000/acre. I'm not sure what 10
acres near a city in Texas might cost.
| N.B. I wonder what this has to do with alt.solar.thermal :)
I don't know - there seems to be a lot of heat but not much solar. ;-)
DeSoto, Iowa USA