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Posted by Eeyore on October 19, 2007, 6:27 pm
 


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:


I'm sure the death penalty thing is about the desire for vengeance.

Graham


Posted by Steve Firth on October 19, 2007, 5:49 pm
 


I don't need to, you said NEVER. One example proves that you are wrong.

Posted by Steve Firth on October 19, 2007, 6:01 pm
 

Ah yes, well there were are onto a different tack and the answer to that
is mostly "it depends". I've lived in countries where guns are permitted
and those where they are banned. The USA appears to be a real exceptiion
in terms of culture. People blast away at each other there without
thinkign much about what they are up to and also they tend to be fairly
careless.

Switzerland permits citizens to own guns of types that would see them
run into prison fairly rapidly here and they don't run amok and kill
each other in hundreds. In some countries it's a legal right to own
assault rifles and in general although those countries have problems,
the accident rate doesn't seem to be terrible, or possibly it just
shrinks into insignificance compared to their other problems. My
relatives serving in Iraq had great trouble understanding that all
households are permitted to own a number of self-loading weapons, for
example. Yet my recollectionf o Iraqi's before the present mess is that
in general they are respectful and larely westernised and don't go
around "popping caps" in the "ass" of anyone they disagree with.

Posted by Owain on October 19, 2007, 8:13 pm
 Steve Firth wrote:

Compare to Canada, where gun ownership is, I think, higher than in the
US because of more widespread hunting.

Owain


Posted by Eeyore on October 20, 2007, 4:53 am
 

Jim wrote:


Such things simply don't happen here. At least not in any significant number.
Even the criminals who may have guns don't want to use them !

You don't seem to be able to understand that our society here isn't so heavily
violence driven.

Graham


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